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Trophy Sep 1st 2009 6:39 pm

UK Pension
 
Could be good news for once.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8232612.stm

Kev

NoreenC Sep 1st 2009 6:52 pm

Re: UK Pension
 

Originally Posted by Trophy (Post 7896273)
Could be good news for once.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8232612.stm

Kev

For once, if this is approved, I won't mind the EU having a say about our laws! :-)

Paul1978 Sep 1st 2009 8:12 pm

Re: UK Pension
 
I can't see it being approved. Why would the UK increase it when you’re going to spend it in another country and therefore not helping the UK economy at all?

Luckyone Sep 1st 2009 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Paul1978 (Post 7896416)
I can't see it being approved. Why would the UK increase it when you’re going to spend it in another country and therefore not helping the UK economy at all?

Maybe it'll be bugger all to do with the UK and they'll have to do it. Regards your thoughts - why do they currently pay out fully indexed pensions to millions of folks who live in other countries, who then spend it there and do not help out the UK economy?

Have a nice day.....

Paul1978 Sep 1st 2009 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Luckyone (Post 7896680)
Maybe it'll be bugger all to do with the UK and they'll have to do it. Regards your thoughts - why do they currently pay out fully indexed pensions to millions of folks who live in other countries, who then spend it there and do not help out the UK economy?

Have a nice day.....

It's just what I think will happen, not what I think is right.

Picking up a paper/watching the news you may notice that the UK is not doing very well financially so I can understand why the UK may want to keep as much of it's money inside the UK as possible. I would of course love for the rise to be granted as I will be in Canada in 3 months and will continue to pay into my state pension.

Almost Canadian Sep 2nd 2009 1:38 am

Re: UK Pension
 

Originally Posted by NoreenC (Post 7896286)
For once, if this is approved, I won't mind the EU having a say about our laws! :-)

Most of the best legislation in England and Wales is a rest of EU directives (most of your current employment regulations, etc.)

I can never understand why English people object to the laws of the EU, it's not as if the domestic Parliament enacts anything useful.

BristolUK Sep 2nd 2009 4:22 am

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Originally Posted by Paul1978 (Post 7896777)
Picking up a paper/watching the news you may notice that the UK is not doing very well financially so I can understand why the UK may want to keep as much of it's money inside the UK as possible.

And that's a good reason for the uprating not to be paid to anyone outside the UK (or outside the EU) rather than be denied to some.

In fact, one could even argue to suspend uprating completely (if one didn't mind a vote losing policy:p) if funds are short and anyone who really needed the money could claim pension credit if their income was low enough. That might be the sensible thing to do if money was that tight.

What puzzles me is that it's not really a human rights issue. Does the Court of Human Rights have a wider remit? This is straightforward discrimination and seems appropriate for a different kind of hearing.

It's the same as when benefits that went to widows but not widowers was ruled discriminatory.

I don't see the case being won here. A two hour hearing? It's clearly not being taken seriously, perhaps because they know it should have been dealt with by a more appropriate tribunal.

Day77 Sep 2nd 2009 4:54 am

Re: UK Pension
 

Originally Posted by Paul1978 (Post 7896416)
I can't see it being approved. Why would the UK increase it when you’re going to spend it in another country and therefore not helping the UK economy at all?

The KEY word is pension, something you get after working your arse off all your life and can finally relax a little.
if the person chooses to move country at 65 and decides to have their pension that (again) they worked there arse off in the country or origin (native) country then good luck and happy spending.

They worked and derserve that money...spend on drugs, booze, toys, hoildays, treating kids, charity...whatever it's theres....

:sneaky:

danfolkestone Sep 2nd 2009 7:41 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 7897081)
Most of the best legislation in England and Wales is a rest of EU directives (most of your current employment regulations, etc.)

I can never understand why English people object to the laws of the EU, it's not as if the domestic Parliament enacts anything useful.

This is nothing to do with the EU, it's the European Court of Human Rights. There is absolutely no connection between the two - the EU's court is the European Court of Justice.

Dave+Jules Sep 2nd 2009 8:17 am

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A thought, because the USA is approved to uprate pensions couldnt you just buy a little place in Maine or whatever state is below your province and live there six months of the year?:confused:

BristolUK Sep 2nd 2009 9:50 am

Re: UK Pension
 

Originally Posted by Dave+Jules (Post 7898166)
...couldnt you just buy a little place in Maine or whatever state is below your province...

Just one tiny flaw.

$$:rofl:

Southcote Sep 2nd 2009 10:43 am

Re: UK Pension
 

Originally Posted by Paul1978 (Post 7896777)
I will be in Canada in 3 months and will continue to pay into my state pension.

How do you continue to pay into a UK state pension if living abroad ? Also, do you know how much yu have to pay in ?

Steve_P Sep 3rd 2009 9:47 am

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Originally Posted by Dave+Jules (Post 7898166)
A thought, because the USA is approved to uprate pensions couldnt you just buy a little place in Maine or whatever state is below your province and live there six months of the year?:confused:

Interesting, very interesting. :sneaky:

Does anyone really know what the UK pensions office requires as proof of nation of residence?

bodgerx Sep 3rd 2009 10:34 am

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Originally Posted by Southcote (Post 7898539)
How do you continue to pay into a UK state pension if living abroad ? Also, do you know how much yu have to pay in ?

Voluntary National Insurance contribution. Can't remember which class - it is a fixed amount though - I would've thought the Inland Revenue send you a bill for the tax year, and you pay it.

bodgerx Sep 3rd 2009 10:54 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 7902118)
Interesting, very interesting. :sneaky:

Does anyone really know what the UK pensions office requires as proof of nation of residence?

This describes the methods of payment, eligibility etc.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pdfs/nico/ni38.pdf

I couldn't find a firm answer on what proof of residency is needed. I did find some site that said something about a NHS medical card or a UK driving licence..

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/faqs_general.htm#3nr


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