Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Jun 20th 2006, 10:10 pm
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
I have a company I'm speaking with who I'm hoping will put me through the PNP. As it's out of province, I've told them I'm not prepared to uproot my family again and move there for the promise of a job with 2 week notice period. I'm now going to go back and see if they'll go through the PNP route. I have even offered to pay for the fees, but they previously stated they want people there a year before starting the application. I'm really starting to wish I'd just gone through the normal snail pace route as I'd now be 2 years in and probably get one quicker!
Originally Posted by Rete
The Canadian work visas and the US are much the same. There is no guarantee that once you are there or here that you will retain the position you initially were sponsored for. I believe it is far easier to change companies within the US then in Canada. FWIW, the issue of the position has to be one that a citizen is not qualified to do is the same in the US. Funny how many of the IT positions are filled by foreign H-1B visa workers and there aren't any US Citizens to do it. Same as in Canada. My Canadian husband couldn't get a position (due to age and lack of formal education along had worked, designed and implemented systems for the RCFA for 36 years and was offered a job by Litton Corp in the '80's) when he retired from service and wound up repairing computers for a company owned by a foreign investor in Ottawa at minimum wage. So don't feel that the mark is against you. It isn't. The mark is against the Canuck.
Is there anyway that you can convert to PR status so that you will have the freedom to accept employment immediately?
Is there anyway that you can convert to PR status so that you will have the freedom to accept employment immediately?
Jun 21st 2006, 2:57 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by g_is_for_canada
The other challenge is that if another single person is in the running for the position, even if I am the best person for the job, I will lose to that other person at HRSDC's insistence.
Given the number of people coming on work permits there are obviously employers who are prepared to wait, Plus with the glacial speed of recruiting here (especially over the summer, when the two dozen people they seem to think it necessary to interview with are variously away on holiday at the cottage), 12 weeks is not as long as it seems, so maybe there is hope yet. If they like you enough to discuss it, then perhaps they are not keen on thye expense of starting the search again or the idea of accepting a lesser candidate after all.
Do you have a PR application in already or did you not get that far yet?
Jun 21st 2006, 3:48 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by g_is_for_canada
Higher than Britain: Food, Insurance, TV/Internet service, Consumer Electronics, Taxes on house purchase, Clothes, Health Care, Schooling, Baby things, Credit Cards & Bank Accounts, Household appliances, Child Care, Air Travel, Tax on car purchase, Mobile phones and services
Adds: cheese...beer....wine...indian food
Lower than Britain: Eating out, Petrol (Gas), Public Transport, Bananas, Annual membership to tourist attractions, Community Centre activities, Some private schooling, Car maintenance and parts, Alcohol, Furniture, Extended warranties on electronics, No separate road tax, No MOT cost, No TV License cost, Limo/Cabs, Organic Food, Garden equipment, Timber, Tools, Few toll roads, Parking, No speed cameras, no penalty points impact to car insurance costs
Adds: BC bud
Adds: cheese...beer....wine...indian food
Lower than Britain: Eating out, Petrol (Gas), Public Transport, Bananas, Annual membership to tourist attractions, Community Centre activities, Some private schooling, Car maintenance and parts, Alcohol, Furniture, Extended warranties on electronics, No separate road tax, No MOT cost, No TV License cost, Limo/Cabs, Organic Food, Garden equipment, Timber, Tools, Few toll roads, Parking, No speed cameras, no penalty points impact to car insurance costs
Adds: BC bud
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Jun 21st 2006, 4:05 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by iaink
The trick is to formulate the requirements for the position so it exactly matches your experience and qualifications, making it most unlikely that a local candidate will fit the profile.
Jun 21st 2006, 4:17 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by Cowtown
... won't sponsor immigrants ... .
Jun 21st 2006, 4:37 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
Can I ask why not?? :scared:
Jun 21st 2006, 4:40 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by Cowtown
No idea ... I asked and got no response to my email ... Flight risk? Too much trouble? You tell me ... this is a country built on immigration, unfortunately some employers just can't see that.
Jun 21st 2006, 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
AHHHH so its not actually you that wont sponsor immigrants?
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Jun 21st 2006, 6:37 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by Cowtown
That's my problem ... no local candidates ... no Canadian candidates who can afford to move to AB ...
Jun 21st 2006, 8:12 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by iaink
Do you have a PR application in already or did you not get that far yet?
Regarding the PR application I couldn't face the prospect of the 4 year wait or whatever it is. I'm trying to pursue the PNP but the only employer who would consider this is expecting me to work there a year before they'd 'consider' it. Oh, and they also expect me to pay for it. This is not good enough.
I've seen many many people get their PR through PNP for far less specialist positions. With all due respect, I didn't work my nuts off to become one of a few specialists in my field in the World to face this kind of crap. Here it's the plumber and the builder who is the king because everyone sends their kids to college and nobody is left to do the "hands on" work.
Jun 21st 2006, 8:27 am
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by g_is_for_canada
Here it's the plumber and the builder who is the king because everyone sends their kids to college and nobody is left to do the "hands on" work.
Sorry to hear of your predicament. It's a similar case in the UK. Young people don't want to train for the basic trades here. Plumbers in London can charge what they like. It took us a year to get a decent builder to do some work on our house. We went through the Federation of Master Builders too. We paid a bit more for the work but the problem is now solved
When we had our hall carpeted last year I was talking to the guy and he had 25+ years experience. He told me that he can't get young people to train because they aren't interested. They want the good money, but don't want to work for it.
Jun 21st 2006, 2:23 pm
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by g_is_for_canada
Regarding the PR application I couldn't face the prospect of the 4 year wait or whatever it is.
Generally it seems (despite what some "experts" say) that if you have a work permit and apply there is some preferential treatment and perhaps the timeline is not quite as bad.
You are right, and employer only offering PNP after a year is clearly up to no good, its not how PNP is supposed to work.
Good luck, whatever happens! Did you try ontario, it seems a lot of work permits get done here, perhaps as there are lots of immigrants, but no PNP so its a necessity to do business.
Jun 21st 2006, 5:13 pm
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
Originally Posted by iaink
Its only 4 years at the beginning. Once you are in the system, at least you are moving (slooooooooowly) towards that goal. Im guess Im saying if you dont apply it certainly wont happen any sooner.
Generally it seems (despite what some "experts" say) that if you have a work permit and apply there is some preferential treatment and perhaps the timeline is not quite as bad.
You are right, and employer only offering PNP after a year is clearly up to no good, its not how PNP is supposed to work.
Good luck, whatever happens! Did you try ontario, it seems a lot of work permits get done here, perhaps as there are lots of immigrants, but no PNP so its a necessity to do business.
Generally it seems (despite what some "experts" say) that if you have a work permit and apply there is some preferential treatment and perhaps the timeline is not quite as bad.
You are right, and employer only offering PNP after a year is clearly up to no good, its not how PNP is supposed to work.
Good luck, whatever happens! Did you try ontario, it seems a lot of work permits get done here, perhaps as there are lots of immigrants, but no PNP so its a necessity to do business.
) there is likely to be a much greater chance of finding someone in need of those skills in and around Toronto. It's another - calculated - risk, even if you get it all sorted before any possible uprooting of your family, but what isn't?
Good luck either way gringo.
Jun 21st 2006, 7:20 pm
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
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Surely there are a large number of skilled worker immigrants (like us!) coming over and looking for jobs? Do you mean that even if we have PR status, employers will have to hire a Canadian citizen before PRs? 
I am so depressed after reading this thread, (although I know it's better to be forewarned!) as we are moving out to Alberta in 3 weeks. We have no jobs :scared: :scared: I have heard that there are many jobs in the Calgary area, is this not the case?
Originally Posted by Cowtown
That's my problem ... no local candidates ... no Canadian candidates who can afford to move to AB ... won't sponsor immigrants ... short of cloning myself, I'm restricted on who I can hire.
I am so depressed after reading this thread, (although I know it's better to be forewarned!) as we are moving out to Alberta in 3 weeks. We have no jobs :scared: :scared: I have heard that there are many jobs in the Calgary area, is this not the case?
Jun 21st 2006, 8:09 pm
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Re: Thoroughly disullusioned - BC (not for minors)
I was going to suggest what Corky said - go to another province. From all that I've heard Alberta has jobs for everyone. It might not be the job you are qualified for, but if you don't have any job - then surely anything is better than that. And you say you wont uproot your kids, but if you have to go back to England then isn't that uprooting them? You could at least check in Alberta.