tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Apr 15th 2012, 8:30 pm
#16
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Is there a question on the green visa that visitors fill in on the plane relating to criminal records? I have never been asked any questions by an Immigration Officer in all my years of travel - apart from am I visiting for business or pleasure.
Apr 15th 2012, 10:26 pm
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
There is no criminality question on the E311 Customs Declaration Card.
Apr 15th 2012, 10:41 pm
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Ah but have you ever been referred into Immigration Secondary where those questions are routinely asked? Green visa card? If visiting Canada travellers fill out an E311 form which is white with blue writing. Unless you are referring to the I94 visa waiver form which is for the US.
There is no criminality question on the E311 Customs Declaration Card.
There is no criminality question on the E311 Customs Declaration Card.
And for what reasons?
Apr 15th 2012, 11:04 pm
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Ah but have you ever been referred into Immigration Secondary where those questions are routinely asked? Green visa card? If visiting Canada travellers fill out an E311 form which is white with blue writing. Unless you are referring to the I94 visa waiver form which is for the US.
There is no criminality question on the E311 Customs Declaration Card.
There is no criminality question on the E311 Customs Declaration Card.
Apr 16th 2012, 1:15 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Just curious here and no agenda. How often does someone arriving from the UK to let's say, visit their daughter for a couple of weeks, who fills out the E311 without any eyebrow raising entries, has a return ticket, isn't fibbing about what's in their luggage etc., etc., get referred to secondary?
And for what reasons?
And for what reasons?
Any foreign national can be referred to Immigration Secondary as they have no right of entry to Canada. Depending how the traveller answers the questions and how long they are staying etc the officer has the option of sending them to Immigration secondary (not Customs secondary) for further questioning as they do not have the time at Primary questioning to ask these questions or verify return tickets, health insurance coverage or other details.
Visitors coming for over 6 months have to be referred for documentation (Visitor Record).
While to you the traveller this may seem inconvenient but if we did all the checks at Primary then you would have a very long wait. Not all airports have seperate lines for Canadian residents and foreign nationals so to speed up the process Immigration secondary is used for more detailed examinations
and issuance of Visitor Records, Work Permits, Study Permits, Landings etc.
Very few if any Canadian citizens are referred into Immigration secondary.
PRs can be to establish residency obligations and status as they might not be travelling with a PR card.
This job used to be done by 2 x seperate Govt Depts Customs & Immigration.
It has now been made into one Agency (CBSA) so not everybody knows each others jobs as we used to be 2 x seperate Depts and there is still a learning curve for the older officers to learn.
HTH
Apr 16th 2012, 1:19 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Back to the OP
Someone could just "wing it" as it were, and only say something if they are asked, but is that something you really want to risk?
Apr 16th 2012, 1:33 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
To answer both questions. The officers you show the passport and declaration cards to are not all fully trained on Immigration procedures.
Any foreign national can be referred to Immigration Secondary as they have no right of entry to Canada. Depending how the traveller answers the questions and how long they are staying etc the officer has the option of sending them to Immigration secondary (not Customs secondary) for further questioning as they do not have the time at Primary questioning to ask these questions or verify return tickets, health insurance coverage or other details.
Visitors coming for over 6 months have to be referred for documentation (Visitor Record).
While to you the traveller this may seem inconvenient but if we did all the checks at Primary then you would have a very long wait. Not all airports have seperate lines for Canadian residents and foreign nationals so to speed up the process Immigration secondary is used for more detailed examinations
and issuance of Visitor Records, Work Permits, Study Permits, Landings etc.
Very few if any Canadian citizens are referred into Immigration secondary.
PRs can be to establish residency obligations and status as they might not be travelling with a PR card.
This job used to be done by 2 x seperate Govt Depts Customs & Immigration.
It has now been made into one Agency (CBSA) so not everybody knows each others jobs as we used to be 2 x seperate Depts and there is still a learning curve for the older officers to learn.
HTH
Any foreign national can be referred to Immigration Secondary as they have no right of entry to Canada. Depending how the traveller answers the questions and how long they are staying etc the officer has the option of sending them to Immigration secondary (not Customs secondary) for further questioning as they do not have the time at Primary questioning to ask these questions or verify return tickets, health insurance coverage or other details.
Visitors coming for over 6 months have to be referred for documentation (Visitor Record).
While to you the traveller this may seem inconvenient but if we did all the checks at Primary then you would have a very long wait. Not all airports have seperate lines for Canadian residents and foreign nationals so to speed up the process Immigration secondary is used for more detailed examinations
and issuance of Visitor Records, Work Permits, Study Permits, Landings etc.
Very few if any Canadian citizens are referred into Immigration secondary.
PRs can be to establish residency obligations and status as they might not be travelling with a PR card.
This job used to be done by 2 x seperate Govt Depts Customs & Immigration.
It has now been made into one Agency (CBSA) so not everybody knows each others jobs as we used to be 2 x seperate Depts and there is still a learning curve for the older officers to learn.
HTH
Just curious here and no agenda. How often does someone arriving from the UK to let's say, visit their daughter for a couple of weeks, who fills out the E311 without any eyebrow raising entries, has a return ticket, isn't fibbing about what's in their luggage etc., etc., get referred to secondary?
And for what reasons?
And for what reasons?
I could look up the handbook myself, but I thought you might have some practical experience. Perhaps not.
Apr 16th 2012, 3:53 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
They lie about the purpose of their trip i.e working not visiting
How long they are going to be staying
How much money they have for the purpose of their visit if not visiting relatives etc can a person visit Canada for 6 weeks and survive on $50?
They are fleeing countries as they are wanted or escaping charges
They have health problems that can be passed onto the likes of you and me
If you think I can determine all of that and more in a 30 second interview then you are sadly deluded and mistaken.
So do you propose that we just accept a verbal answer from all foreign nationals and let them in?
Even those who have made applications lie on their forms thats why some are removed later for misrepresenting. Did you know that over 50% of applications from Pakistan are found to contain fraudulent documents attesting to qualifications, education etc
Over 90% of Refugee claims from Hungary, Mexico etc etc are found to be based on economic issues andnot fleeing from persecution etc.
How many millions of travellers do we process each year but as a percentage we look at a small number in depth whereas the vast majority are waved straight through.
Come and try to do my job for a month and see if you can spot the ones we dont want to admit to this country as nobody has a stamp on their forehead saying Im a drug smuggler, I have child porn on my laptop, Im coming to work illegally, Im wanted for this and that.
Really a man of your intelligence cant believe that we should take just a verbal declaration from all foreign nationals wishing to enter.
Apr 16th 2012, 4:28 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
To answer both questions. The officers you show the passport and declaration cards to are not all fully trained on Immigration procedures.
Any foreign national can be referred to Immigration Secondary as they have no right of entry to Canada. Depending how the traveller answers the questions and how long they are staying etc the officer has the option of sending them to Immigration secondary (not Customs secondary) for further questioning as they do not have the time at Primary questioning to ask these questions or verify return tickets, health insurance coverage or other details.
Visitors coming for over 6 months have to be referred for documentation (Visitor Record).
While to you the traveller this may seem inconvenient but if we did all the checks at Primary then you would have a very long wait. Not all airports have seperate lines for Canadian residents and foreign nationals so to speed up the process Immigration secondary is used for more detailed examinations
and issuance of Visitor Records, Work Permits, Study Permits, Landings etc.
Very few if any Canadian citizens are referred into Immigration secondary.
PRs can be to establish residency obligations and status as they might not be travelling with a PR card.
This job used to be done by 2 x seperate Govt Depts Customs & Immigration.
It has now been made into one Agency (CBSA) so not everybody knows each others jobs as we used to be 2 x seperate Depts and there is still a learning curve for the older officers to learn.
HTH
Any foreign national can be referred to Immigration Secondary as they have no right of entry to Canada. Depending how the traveller answers the questions and how long they are staying etc the officer has the option of sending them to Immigration secondary (not Customs secondary) for further questioning as they do not have the time at Primary questioning to ask these questions or verify return tickets, health insurance coverage or other details.
Visitors coming for over 6 months have to be referred for documentation (Visitor Record).
While to you the traveller this may seem inconvenient but if we did all the checks at Primary then you would have a very long wait. Not all airports have seperate lines for Canadian residents and foreign nationals so to speed up the process Immigration secondary is used for more detailed examinations
and issuance of Visitor Records, Work Permits, Study Permits, Landings etc.
Very few if any Canadian citizens are referred into Immigration secondary.
PRs can be to establish residency obligations and status as they might not be travelling with a PR card.
This job used to be done by 2 x seperate Govt Depts Customs & Immigration.
It has now been made into one Agency (CBSA) so not everybody knows each others jobs as we used to be 2 x seperate Depts and there is still a learning curve for the older officers to learn.
HTH
Apr 16th 2012, 4:31 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Just curious here and no agenda. How often does someone arriving from the UK to let's say, visit their daughter for a couple of weeks, who fills out the E311 without any eyebrow raising entries, has a return ticket, isn't fibbing about what's in their luggage etc., etc., get referred to secondary?
And for what reasons?
And for what reasons?
CBSA generally prefer to harass citizens - its better sport. I can tell you all the reasons innocent citizens get sent to secondary.
Stop worrying and tell her to just come for god's sake.
Apr 16th 2012, 5:34 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
How about 'almost never'. To the OP, I would 99.99999% guarantee they will get in with no hassle. They might be asked a few pointless questions about how long they are staying and who with and they will then get waved through.
CBSA generally prefer to harass citizens - its better sport. I can tell you all the reasons innocent citizens get sent to secondary.
Stop worrying and tell her to just come for god's sake.
CBSA generally prefer to harass citizens - its better sport. I can tell you all the reasons innocent citizens get sent to secondary.
Stop worrying and tell her to just come for god's sake.
I tell you what how about you send the OP the $200 to pay for the TRP just in case she is asked as you are not !00% certain. Sound like a deal or just all mouth again and who will not even answer questions directly put to him when making the usual put down remarks about CBSA employees.
Of course if one of your family members was hurt by a foreign national whom you later found out was inadmissible but let in by CBSA then you would be slagging us off for not doing our job so I guess we will always be in a no win situation as far as you are concerned.
Obviously your job is so important you feel the need to be critical of others.
Piss taking I can take or ribbing but with you its the same old crap.
But thank you for paying my wages and contributing to my pension even if you consider my job to be less than ideal its you whos paying for it
Oh I bet you, Novo and dbd33 can have a laugh over a pint on your next meet up and discuss how you love to have a go at me.
Sad men but Im still here.
Apr 16th 2012, 7:38 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Secondary probably means the immigration office at the point of entry. For example, Pearson airport, Terminal 3 - When you pass the immigration officer, as you walk towards the baggage hall there is a big office on your left, that's the immigration office. Just before you get to the baggage hall, they check your E311 and if it has been marked in a specific way, they direct you towards the immigration office.
Back to the OP
Someone could just "wing it" as it were, and only say something if they are asked, but is that something you really want to risk?
Back to the OP
Someone could just "wing it" as it were, and only say something if they are asked, but is that something you really want to risk?
Last year I went to Van via Toronto and a guy who was standing and checking cards near the route onwards directed me towards some desk/office on the right after looking at my card. There, a relatively nice officer behind the desk grilled me for a couple of minutes before I was on my way.
It was the first time too that I noticed an entry beneath the stamp in my passport marking the date I was to leave, my exit date as it were. Not had that through going direct to Van in the five visits before last year.
Apr 16th 2012, 8:03 am
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Re: tax evasion - would my mother be refused entry?
Just curious here and no agenda. How often does someone arriving from the UK to let's say, visit their daughter for a couple of weeks, who fills out the E311 without any eyebrow raising entries, has a return ticket, isn't fibbing about what's in their luggage etc., etc., get referred to secondary?
And for what reasons?
And for what reasons?
First time I came to Canada. Then when I went over in 2010 when there was an LMO in the process. My last trip because the first guy thought the duration between my trip in November and again in February was too short.
It happens. I've been sent to secondary immigration check coming in to Canada more often than they've done a secondary on my accompanying suitcase.
Apr 16th 2012, 12:08 pm
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