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kamshaft Feb 17th 2010 12:45 am

Stupid question!
 
This might sound a stupid question but how long do we stay in school in england, at primary school and secondry school?

its been that long ive forgotten! I left school at 16, so will it be 7 years for primary and 5 years for secondry school?

Thanks

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 12:51 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by kamshaft (Post 8350740)
This might sound a stupid question but how long do we stay in schhol in england, at primary schoold and secondry school? its been that long ive forgotten! I left school at 16, so will it be 7 years for primary and 5 years for secondry school?

Thanks

I guess the main question is...........how many years did YOU attend school for, from start to finish? ;)

Normally i'd say it would be 12 years if you finish at 16 but couldn't comment on your own situation.

kamshaft Feb 17th 2010 12:52 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8350760)
I guess the main question is...........how many years did YOU attend school for, from start to finish? ;)

Normally i'd say it would be 12 years if you finish at 16 but couldn't comment on your own situation.

i attended school all the time, and never bunked off!! :rofl:

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 12:53 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by kamshaft (Post 8350762)
i attended school all the time, and never bunked off!! :rofl:

Then 12 years it is :)

KeithSonja Feb 17th 2010 12:54 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
Depends on your age, as I was in the last year that went up to senior school at 12, as of September 1990 they went up at 11 years old I think.....

I'm not 100% sure but I think they have changed the law in England that children have to stay in some sort of education system until they are 18 years old from this year, be that college, 6th Form or an apprenticeship???

kamshaft Feb 17th 2010 12:55 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
so my next question is, ive attended for 12 years @ school done 2 years electronics @ college, and done a 2 years city & guilds electricians course @ college/trade school,

so will it be the following from the CIC web site:

"Obtained a two-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and completed at least 14 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies"

Cheers guys

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 12:59 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by kamshaft (Post 8350773)
so my next question is, ive attended for 12 years @ school done 2 years electronics @ college, and done a 2 years city & guilds electricians course @ college/trade school,

so will it be the following from the CIC web site:

"Obtained a two-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship and completed at least 14 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies"

Cheers guys

If your electronics course was full time, then i would say yes because this would increase your full time education to 14 years and you have the C&G certificate.

Still, better double check because that's just my opinion based on the info in this thread so i could be talking poo.

kamshaft Feb 17th 2010 1:19 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
The reason i was asking thoes questions were, i sent off a FSW app a few weeks back to Sydney but i only realised today when i was looking through my application (my copy that i photocopied!), that i had entered the wrong number of years for my schooling.

With the new application i am sending should i write some kind of letter with it to explain why i am resending it or just send it as it is?

Thanks for the help
Kamshaft

Update:

I havnt recieved anything from cic saying that my application was filled out wrong as they only recieved it 2 weeks ago, so i was wondering if i should send in one now or wait till i get confirmation that it is filled in wrong, hope that makes sence!

Yelkcub Feb 17th 2010 3:10 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by KeithSonja (Post 8350771)
I'm not 100% sure but I think they have changed the law in England that children have to stay in some sort of education system until they are 18 years old from this year, be that college, 6th Form or an apprenticeship???

They haven't yet & hopefully they won't as not all kids want education until 18 - some want to stay at home all day and watch day time TV and others want to start work. Education for education sake seems to be a way of reducing unemployment figures.

BristolUK Feb 17th 2010 3:46 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
I did two years at Infants, four at Primary and five at Comp.

joinerboy Feb 17th 2010 4:26 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by kamshaft (Post 8350740)
This might sound a stupid question but how long do we stay in school in england, at primary school and secondry school?

its been that long ive forgotten! I left school at 16, so will it be 7 years for primary and 5 years for secondry school?

Thanks

When i applied for PR i claimed a total of 11yrs for primary & secondary schooling
(5yrs-16yrs ), do a search as many others have discussed this matter on the forum.
This may be of interest to you :
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...g+school+years
hope this helps

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 6:22 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by joinerboy (Post 8351377)
When i applied for PR i claimed a total of 11yrs for primary & secondary schooling
(5yrs-16yrs ), do a search as many others have discussed this matter on the forum.
This may be of interest to you :
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...g+school+years
hope this helps

Isn't it 5 - 16 years inclusive?

joinerboy Feb 17th 2010 6:38 am

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That's the result of only 11yrs schooling

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 6:40 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by joinerboy (Post 8351760)
That's the result of only 11yrs schooling

:rofl:

DandNHill Feb 17th 2010 8:01 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
Reception to year 6: 7 years
Year 7 to year 11: 5 years
Total 12 years
:p

stokesey Feb 17th 2010 10:52 am

Re: Stupid question!
 
Haven't we been here before..... ;) My understanding is that it may be luck of the draw in how the visa officer scores your points, I counted 12 years for primary and secondary + 2 for college, this may only get counted as 11 years though (wrongly in my view). I did put a written explanation to explain the 12 years.

It would be nice to have a definitive answer!

Good luck

john5655 Feb 17th 2010 12:43 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 
CIC use a document known as International Education Guide
FOR THE ASSESSMENT OF EDUCATION FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
produced by an organisation known as IQAS in order to base their judgements on questions like this

here's what the report says on schooling in UK


School Education
School education in the United Kingdom is divided into primary education and secondary education. In England, Scotland and Wales, education is compulsory from age 5 to age 16. In Northern Ireland, education is compulsory from age 4 to age 16.
school education in england,
wales and northern ireland
The education systems of England, Wales and Northern Ireland share a similar structure. Maintained or state (publicly funded) schools offer:
• optional pre-primary/preschool education for children between the ages of 3 and 5
• compulsory primary education from age 5 to age 11 (or ages 4 to 11 in Northern Ireland)
• compulsory secondary education from ages 11 to 16
• optional secondary or further education from ages 16
to 18
Independent (private) schools generally follow a similar structure, but may use the terms “pre-preparatory” to refer to pre-primary/preschool education and “preparatory” to refer to primary education. It is useful to note that the British commonly use the term “public school” to refer to private schools.
The compulsory part of education is divided into four key stages (see Table 2). Key Stage 1 covers the first two years of primary school, when students are normally aged 5 to 7. Key Stage 2, the second and last stage of primary schooling, is for children aged 7 to 11.

Note: There is one additional year of primary education in Northern Ireland where children start school at the age of 4 bringing the number of years of compulsory education to 12.
so, the answer is, imho, 11 years except in NI

here's a link to the report

http://employment.alberta.ca/documen...uk_profile.pdf

el_richo Feb 17th 2010 10:31 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by john5655 (Post 8352669)

so, the answer is, imho, 11 years except in NI

here's a link to the report

http://employment.alberta.ca/documen...uk_profile.pdf

I don't think it is. The 5 to 16 is inclusive which gives 12 years.

christmasoompa Feb 18th 2010 2:56 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8353915)
I don't think it is. The 5 to 16 is inclusive which gives 12 years.

Except that according to PMM, reception year often doesn't get counted by CIC (no idea why - perhaps because it's often not a complete year?), so that would be 11 years.

el_richo Feb 18th 2010 3:12 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 8354703)
Except that according to PMM, reception year often doesn't get counted by CIC (no idea why - perhaps because it's often not a complete year?), so that would be 11 years.

I thought reception year was aged 4? I don't have kids so not sure. I do recall my own full time education that started not long after i turned 5 and ended when i was into my 16th year. So in totality my years of school level education were just over 11.5 years.

Can't find anything of substance other than this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_England

So by PMM's info, if "reception" is not classed as a full year, the final year should also be the same as don't they finish before the full year?

And by that sense, the "11 year" is under selling for most English applicants because even if "reception" year is not a complete year, it does still consist of a part of a year.

Weird. :blink:

tim010 Feb 18th 2010 5:27 am

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by DandNHill (Post 8351969)
Reception to year 6: 7 years
Year 7 to year 11: 5 years
Total 12 years
:p

When kids finish school after GCSE's though they complete Year 11 so you may want to check whether it's 12 years or not.

Tim

john5655 Feb 18th 2010 12:58 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 
like I said, if you read the IQAS report you'll be reading a definitive report used by CIC

http://employment.alberta.ca/documen...uk_profile.pdf

the report says that compulsory education in UK starts at 5, ends at 16, it consists of six years primary and five years secondary, that makes 11 years (counting academic years)

anything before primary year one is not counted

if you have undergone an education that does not fit that model I guess you'll have to stump up with proof if the year count is important

el_richo Feb 18th 2010 8:28 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by john5655 (Post 8356253)
like I said, if you read the IQAS report you'll be reading a definitive report used by CIC

http://employment.alberta.ca/documen...uk_profile.pdf

the report says that compulsory education in UK starts at 5, ends at 16, it consists of six years primary and five years secondary, that makes 11 years (counting academic years)

anything before primary year one is not counted

if you have undergone an education that does not fit that model I guess you'll have to stump up with proof if the year count is important

I haven't read it but (linky didn't work) does it specifically mention "non inclusive" or "inclusive" regarding the 5 - 16?

I personally put 12 years of formal, full time, education because that is what i did......rounded up of course since the total comes to around 11 years and 7 months in total ish.

john5655 Feb 18th 2010 11:06 pm

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sorry

no idea why that link did not work

here it is again

http://employment.alberta.ca/documen...uk_profile.pdf

or as an attachment

Yelkcub Feb 18th 2010 11:19 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 

Originally Posted by tim010 (Post 8355082)
When kids finish school after GCSE's though they complete Year 11 so you may want to check whether it's 12 years or not.

Tim

When I started school in the seventies, reception did not exist and we started year 1 at 5 years old. My son started school at 4 and he went to nursery and at 5 started reception. He is 6 next school year and would have started year 1. It would appear that the CIC are looking at the way he school children now rather than in the past.

stokesey Feb 18th 2010 11:57 pm

Re: Stupid question!
 
The form states (IMM0008): Give the total number of years of school you successfully completed for each of the following levels of education'

It doesn't mention anything about compulsory years, therefore if you attended from 4-16 you have completed 12 years and should be awarded that (in my view).

That said I guess the onus is on us to bring to their attention that we did complete the 12 years and not 11.

Interesting document, great find!!


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