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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4294156)
I'm not quibbling over the intent of the animal owners. I'm saying that, while some forms of farming and entertainment are neccessarily cruel, some, such as the chuck wagon racing at the stampede are not; if a horse falls that's arguably cruel, if it doesn't fall, there's no cruelty.
I won't look at the peta sites because they irk me over their whinny attitude to fur. I love fur coats (on women, less so on me) and think that it's anti-Canadian not to support the wearing of fur. Please don't take this as my backing down - I just don't think it's the place.... |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294180)
Ah - an ostrich I see - so be it, I'm not here to debate or argue :D
Please don't take this as my backing down - I just don't think it's the place.... I don't much care for ostrich. I'm sure it's fabulously healthy and all but I find it too dense. |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4294186)
I don't much care for ostrich. I'm sure it's fabulously healthy and all but I find it too dense.
.........and I do support the wearing of fur - by the wild animals for whom it was intended |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294192)
Like some of the people I know.....
.........and I do support the wearing of fur - by the wild animals for whom it was intended BTW, where does it say that humans should not kill and eat/use bits of other members of the animal kingdom? |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by snowgoose
I was making the point about the cruelty of this activity, not the availability of vegetarian food....but I'm sure you knew that. The Stampede involves incredible cruelty but the majority of people who attend are blind to it, or don't care. :(
Members of the Calgary Vegetarian Society have a drop-in get together at a cafe every Saturday morning. It was only around the beginning of 2001 that they started publishing on their website the location of their get together. Prior to that they received so many threats from anti-vegetarian people that they felt too afraid to publish the location. In order to find out where their Saturday morning get togethers were held, you had to phone a contact person, sound plausible enough to convince the contact person that you genuinely were interested in vegetarianism, and he/she would tell you the location. As recently as 1999 or so, the then-Mayor of Calgary received personal threats to himself and his family because he agreed to let the Calgary Vegetarian Society hold a Vegetarian Awareness Day in the city. In fact around that time the police apprehended people who had climbed over the mayor's back yard fence in the middle of the night. The police caught them before they could do any harm, and neither their intentions nor their connections could be proved, but people in Calgary's vegetarian circles suspected that they were goons who represented Big Beef and who were trying to intimidate the mayor. Before hot wasabi peas' recent move to Calgary, she had lived here once before, back when she'd been in junior high school. I can well imagine that she has observed big changes in Calgary, probably some for the worse and some for the better. The much more progressive attitude towards vegetarianism that Calgary has adopted in only the last few years is something that I would put on the positive side of the ledger, and I don't think its significance should be discounted. |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294192)
Like some of the people I know.....
.........and I do support the wearing of fur - by the wild animals for whom it was intended |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4294304)
Intended? By whom was it intended?
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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294407)
Nature, m' dear, Mother Nature.....fur always looks best on its original owner ;)
That's not so. It may be that you don't care for fur but the pelts of small animals such as mink, foxes or seals, certainly look better when matched and sewn together to form a warm and stylish garment than they do on the backs of flea ridden little animals. In the case of a raccoon skin hat the fur not only looks better but represents the corpse of an urban pest put to good use rather than thrown out in the garbage; each time I dump a coon corpse into the green bin I slightly regret the waste in not using the fur. You may have questionable morality on your side but aesthetically coats are plainly superior to vermin. |
Re: Stampede question!
[quote=Judy in Calgary;4294297]Actually hot wasabi peas' point about the availability of vegetarian food in Calgary is not as irrelevant as you may have thought it was. You'd have to have lived in Calgary for a while to appreciate what progress the current availability of vegetarian food represents. [quote]
Neither I nor Snowgoose said the avaliability of veggie food was irrelevant ......perhaps you didn't read our posts properly. This is what Snowgoose said (sorry, I don't know how to put two quotes into my reply)...... 'I was making the point about the cruelty of this activity, not the availability of vegetarian food....but I'm sure you knew that. The Stampede involves incredible cruelty but the majority of people who attend are blind to it, or don't care. :(" As you can see, she was making a point about the cruelty of the Stampede....as was I. :) But I do apprecaite all the information you have provided - if I ever make a trip to Calgary I will be prepared - thank you. When I first became veggie, more than 25 years ago, there was only one health food shop with a small cafe in Manchester....things have improved a great deal in recent years, and we're not seen as the cranks we used to be viewed as - which personally speaking, doesn't upset me in the least :D |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294407)
Nature, m' dear, Mother Nature.....fur always looks best on its original owner ;)
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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
(Post 4294455)
I'm not a fan of fur for fashion but there are many people in Canada who wear and use animal fur for warmth and/or cultural purposes. Imo, it's a very ethnocentric notion that fur is inherently immoral.
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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4294444)
That's not so. It may be that you don't care for fur but the pelts of small animals such as mink, foxes or seals, certainly look better when matched and sewn together to form a warm and stylish garment than they do on the backs of flea ridden little animals. In the case of a raccoon skin hat the fur not only looks better but represents the corpse of an urban pest put to good use rather than thrown out in the garbage; each time I dump a coon corpse into the green bin I slightly regret the waste in not using the fur.
You may have questionable morality on your side but aesthetically coats are plainly superior to vermin. |
Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
(Post 4294455)
I'm not a fan of fur for fashion but there are many people in Canada who wear and use animal fur for warmth and/or cultural purposes. Imo, it's a very ethnocentric notion that fur is inherently immoral.
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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by jood
(Post 4294468)
Questionable morality? You are obviously a person who is a stubborn in their beliefs as I am! I think to have described the way you feel to someone you now know feels the way I do is distasteful and represents someone who doesn't really care much about the world we live in. I have no wish to discuss this any further, so shall we agree to disagree?
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Re: Stampede question!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4294510)
I don't have entrenched views about the use of animals, if you choose not to eat them or to use animal products then that's your choice, so long as you afford others the equal right to eat or wear animal parts, then, yes, we've no need to argue further. Agreeing to disagree is a pact I have with my, almost vegan, daughter; without that we wouldn't have survived the drive to and from LA across all that big steak country.
Your journey conjures up a lovely mental picture:D |
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