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JPHCCFC Jul 21st 2010 6:53 am

Speeding Fine
 
So i just got my first speeding fine I was doing 74 in a 50 zone! gonna cost me a $115. Im not sure of the system over here will i get any points will this impact my insurance?

dbd33 Jul 21st 2010 6:56 am

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Originally Posted by JPHCCFC (Post 8718419)
will this impact my insurance?

Oh yes!

Alberta_Rose Jul 21st 2010 6:57 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by JPHCCFC (Post 8718419)
So i just got my first speeding fine I was doing 74 in a 50 zone! gonna cost me a $115. Im not sure of the system over here will i get any points will this impact my insurance?

If it's just a photo no, but yes if you were stopped by police (I think:blink:)

Aviator Jul 21st 2010 6:57 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by JPHCCFC (Post 8718419)
So i just got my first speeding fine I was doing 74 in a 50 zone! gonna cost me a $115. Im not sure of the system over here will i get any points will this impact my insurance?

Depends on the province. This is what you'd get hit with in BC
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing...riables._frag_

No photo radar in BC anymore, thankfully.

flipance Jul 21st 2010 7:01 am

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Originally Posted by JPHCCFC (Post 8718419)
So i just got my first speeding fine I was doing 74 in a 50 zone! gonna cost me a $115. Im not sure of the system over here will i get any points will this impact my insurance?

Doh!!! What a stupid question, The whole point of fining is to stop irrisponsible drivers. Insurance companies will rightfully load those idiots that drive that way.

JPHCCFC Jul 21st 2010 7:05 am

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Originally Posted by The Aviator (Post 8718429)
Depends on the province. This is what you'd get hit with in BC
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing...riables._frag_

No photo radar in BC anymore, thankfully.

Thanks for the responses, it was in Toronto! Any idea how many points i will get and how long they stay on my license for?

flipance Jul 21st 2010 7:18 am

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Originally Posted by flipance (Post 8718437)
Doh!!! What a stupid question, The whole point of fining is to stop irrisponsible drivers. Insurance companies will rightfully load those idiots that drive that way.

I just re read my post and realised how rude it appears , so apologies for that, I was just trying to say that, that is the way that it is.

Partially discharged Jul 21st 2010 7:22 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by JPHCCFC (Post 8718419)
So i just got my first speeding fine I was doing 74 in a 50 zone! gonna cost me a $115. Im not sure of the system over here will i get any points will this impact my insurance?

My last ticket (1990) was for I think 81 km/h in a 50 km/h but the officer knocked it down to 64 in a 50. He was an ex-pat and I was late to get to a pub to watch England/Cameroon and I told the officer that. I think the fine was about $40 or so and I think by being less than 15 over I didn't lose points.

There may be some other posters on this forum who have had more fines and some may have had to even attend drive education classes.

I'm still surprised I never got any speed camera fines from the last time I was in the UK, although I have heard that cars that are from a car hire are exempt from fines as it is too hard for the car hire place to recoup the money. Could be one of those urban myths.

JPHCCFC Jul 21st 2010 7:35 am

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So i found some info on the Ontario MOT site:-

3 points for exceeding the speed limit by 16 to 29 km/h

4 points for exceeding the speed limit by 30 to 49 km/h

6 points for exceeding the speed limit by 50 km/h or more

Looks like Im on the 3 points! just wonder how much that will impact my insurance for next year and how long the point last for!

JonboyE Jul 21st 2010 7:35 am

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Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 8718475)
I'm still surprised I never got any speed camera fines from the last time I was in the UK, although I have heard that cars that are from a car hire are exempt from fines as it is too hard for the car hire place to recoup the money. Could be one of those urban myths.

I think it is. They have your credit card details on file and can just charge the fine to this.

Just after I arrived I was stopped doing 101kms/h in an 80kms/h zone. I still wasn't used to how low the speed limits are - even on a major highway. The cop gave me a ticket for up to 20 kms/h over the limit which is the lowest fine. At the time it was 2 points on my license (it's 3 now) which was a relief because in BC if you accumulate 3 or more penalty points in a year your insurance goes up.

I guess it pays to hold your hands up and apologize rather than trying to argue.

doodlebum Jul 21st 2010 7:39 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 8718475)
I'm still surprised I never got any speed camera fines from the last time I was in the UK, although I have heard that cars that are from a car hire are exempt from fines as it is too hard for the car hire place to recoup the money. Could be one of those urban myths.

Definitely a myth. I work for an Accident Management company, one of our major clients is Europcar. We hired a car for one of our clients, he got done by a speed camera for a lousy 8 mph. The ticket went to Europcar, who passed our details to the police. We in turn had to pass on the client details.

The hire company normally take credit card details. I'm not even sure you can rent without one. I've sure never been able to when I've travelled to Canada. I've always been advised that any traffic violations would be charged to my credit card.

So....one way or another they do get you.



edited to add....someone beat me to it!!!!!

Lethe Jul 21st 2010 7:41 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 8718475)
My last ticket (1990) was for I think 81 km/h in a 50 km/h but the officer knocked it down to 64 in a 50. He was an ex-pat and I was late to get to a pub to watch England/Cameroon and I told the officer that. I think the fine was about $40 or so and I think by being less than 15 over I didn't lose points.

There may be some other posters on this forum who have had more fines and some may have had to even attend drive education classes.

I'm still surprised I never got any speed camera fines from the last time I was in the UK, although I have heard that cars that are from a car hire are exempt from fines as it is too hard for the car hire place to recoup the money. Could be one of those urban myths.

When I worked in HR I had a Hungarian Pharmacist who didn't have a clue about driving on English roads, he hired a car to drive from Plymouth to Bristol to pick up his girlfriend and on the following Monday called me to tell me English roads are crazy and he kept thinking he saw lights flash at him...he was hit with a really hefty fine and the rental place called to tell him then charged it to his credit card.

Steve&Tanya Jul 21st 2010 8:24 am

Re: Speeding Fine
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 8718475)
My last ticket (1990) was for I think 81 km/h in a 50 km/h but the officer knocked it down to 64 in a 50. He was an ex-pat and I was late to get to a pub to watch England/Cameroon and I told the officer that. I think the fine was about $40 or so and I think by being less than 15 over I didn't lose points.

There may be some other posters on this forum who have had more fines and some may have had to even attend drive education classes.

I'm still surprised I never got any speed camera fines from the last time I was in the UK, although I have heard that cars that are from a car hire are exempt from fines as it is too hard for the car hire place to recoup the money. Could be one of those urban myths.

Most definitley Urban Myth. It is actually stated in the rental agreement (that everyone signs but never reads!) that any fines/tickets incured whilest you have rented the car will be charged to your card once the rental company gets notification.

Partially discharged Jul 21st 2010 9:05 am

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Originally Posted by Steve&Tanya (Post 8718604)
Most definitley Urban Myth. It is actually stated in the rental agreement (that everyone signs but never reads!) that any fines/tickets incured whilest you have rented the car will be charged to your card once the rental company gets notification.

I must have just been lucky then...my kids were convinced I had blown through some of the areas where the cameras were at a high speed......

I gather based on replies that it is an urban myth.

dbd33 Jul 21st 2010 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 8718475)
There may be some other posters on this forum who have had more fines and some may have had to even attend drive education classes.

<raises hand>

I've been reeducated twice. Such nice people in those classes, all people who drive a lot, of course.

A collegue just got a ticket for 138 in an 80. He's decided to fight it and I'll be interested to see how he gets on. The general reaction has been "well, I drive along there at 120, everyone does". This is, of course, beyond the tantrum threshold (50 over in ON) but he's not been impounded.

SDDep Jul 21st 2010 12:06 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8719024)
<raises hand>

I've been reeducated twice. Such nice people in those classes, all people who drive a lot, of course.

A collegue just got a ticket for 138 in an 80. He's decided to fight it and I'll be interested to see how he gets on. The general reaction has been "well, I drive along there at 120, everyone does". This is, of course, beyond the tantrum threshold (50 over in ON) but he's not been impounded.

Judges love that argument...I was only driving with the flow of the traffic..

Reminds of an Irish joke...

Officer pulls paddy over: He says to Paddy, you were driving at 100 mph..

Paddy replies, I absolutely was not..

Officer says, yes you were..

Paddy says, I absolutely was not, but I passed a bugger doing at least that..

Good luck to him all the same...he's not paddy is he? :D

dbd33 Jul 21st 2010 12:22 pm

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Originally Posted by SDDep (Post 8719038)
Judges love that argument...I was only driving with the flow of the traffic..

Reminds of an Irish joke...

Officer pulls paddy over: He says to Paddy, you were driving at 100 mph..

Paddy replies, I absolutely was not..

Officer says, yes you were..

Paddy says, I absolutely was not, but I passed a bugger doing at least that..

Good luck to him all the same...he's not paddy is he? :D

No. He was guilty of DWA. I don't think he'll get anywhere, neither does he, but he's going to try it on. I expect he'll do better than our office manager though, "he only stopped me because I'm Jewish" was never going to fly.

SDDep Jul 21st 2010 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8719059)
No. He was guilty of DWA. I don't think he'll get anywhere, neither does he, but he's going to try it on. I expect he'll do better than our office manager though, "he only stopped me because I'm Jewish" was never going to fly.

hahaha...thats a good one:)

If he's very lucky the officer might not show up...

If not, then you throw yourself on the mercy of the court and beg and plead..that can work too..

bobthedog Jul 21st 2010 5:18 pm

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Make sure the ticket is written accurately. I got nailed for 70 in a 50 (guilty as charged) but the officer wrote 10th oct instead of 10th dec. I never noticed but the safety officer at work did and advised me to fight it. I went to the court and said I was nowhere near there on oct 10th... I was supposed to go to court on june 17th last year but I had a serious accident 3 days before and was in hospital getting repaired. My wife called the court and explained, then had to explain why I was going to court in the first place. The Judge said it was too big an error and let me off.
I have often wondered if the officer did the mistake on purpose..:sneaky:

I also got nailed for 76 in a 60 in Vermillion Bay, ON. $55 fine and no points. I was actually doing a lot more than that but the officer just marked it down.

I wish you luck.

printer Jul 21st 2010 5:54 pm

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Originally Posted by SDDep (Post 8719070)
hahaha...thats a good one:)

If he's very lucky the officer might not show up...

If not, then you throw yourself on the mercy of the court and beg and plead..that can work too..

In Vancouver officers not showing up seems par for the course.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...dismissed.html

SDDep Jul 22nd 2010 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by printer (Post 8719428)
In Vancouver officers not showing up seems par for the course.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...dismissed.html

If the judges started issuing warrants for them Failing to appear as so ordered by the subpoenas that they probably get, it might curb the problem...

Lucky drivers though...


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