iaink

Before everyone piles on, lets just take it as read that there are people here with alternate experiences and viewpoints to the original poster.

So please, save your electrons and count your blessings

rivingtonpike

some would say that you have to be good to be lucky

Arnold Palmer (spelling?) said:

"The more I practice the luckier I get"

Tangram

Ah yes, the retorts of the smug.

Alan2005

I think you and others are too quick to judge. Maybe he's negative because he can't find work, not the other way around. Many on this thread are guilty of this.

A couple of things I do agree with cc about:

Not posting salaries is stupid. It may be the way it is, but it's still stupid - I wouldn't want to even spend 30 minutes of my time finding out that the job I thought was going might pay $200k is really paying $20k - it's a waste of my time and theirs.

Not replying to applications is rude. Again, it may be the way it is, but it's still rude - especially, as cc says, a quick email bcc'd to all applications takes no time at all. Companies should employ some corporate courtesy. Saying that you're too busy to spend five minutes being polite to those that have been unsuccessful is simply a lie.

iaink

I'm pretty sure that was Gary Player, but the sentiment is the same...

Samuel Goldwyn had a less golf related (and therefore more socially acceptable) version long before either.

zednought

I'm afraid it is. Toronto, GTA and beyond all suffer from the same problem. More candidates than roles. It's a buyers market and if you don't have Canadian education/experience it's very hard to get your resume on the to-be-interviewed pile.

Like many I'm learning the hard way.

Aviator

Part of that is one business does not want to publicly advertise what they are paying. In some, if not many industries, there is pretty much a standard wage. I know in my former career there was a range and we knew what it was and who paid at which end.

Quite often what is offered also depends on the candidate hired and their experience. We have ended up paying higher than we expected due to a well suited candidate, who likley would not have applied at the rate we were originally were going to offer.

If a range is advertised, everyone wants and feels they deserve the higher. Lower paying more menial jobs tend to have the wage advertised. I seriously doubt there would be a $180k discrepancy as your example. A $200k job would likley fall into the $180 to 200k range. Everyone applying for a job has some idea of the salary range.

This is accepted as the way it is, albeit sometimes frustrating for some applicants, especially those not used to it. When a job is advertised there are often far more unqualified applicants (who seem to be unable to read properly) applying for the job.

E-mail applications don't all come in at once and to send e-mail, bcc to everyone who applied would necessitate adding them all to ones e-mail address book and creating a group to do this, not a productive way to use time. Quite often applicants are applying for multiple jobs and take the first one that offered them, doubtful to be relying on one application.

There is some speculation that without 'Canadian' experience you won't succeed. This is something I have never experienced or hear mentioned in any industry I have been in. If licensing is required, a Canadian license is mandatory though.

helcat12

Perhaps anyone would need a bit of a rant if they had experienced the same as the OP. When things hit the fan, it is hard to see the other side and even harder when it seems other people rub your nose in the fact they are happy when you are not. The OP maybe just needs to get this off his chest and maybe that is why he has discouraged posts that disagree with him.
It seems to me that most people don't actually disagree with the factual content of his post, they just don't agree with his anger and resentment. As JonboyE points out, there are big differences, of course there are and you can either see these as barriers or find the ways of getting over them. If you are not prepared to meet challenges then you may as well not bother starting this in the first place. It's not going to be plain sailing - you don't have to read many threads on here to work that out.
(BTW, I don't know if we will succeed, being only on the lower slopes of this climb, so I am definitely in no position to be smug.)

R I C H

Read some of the OP's pervious posts and the reactions he's had, then you'll understand why he's felt the need to be a little defensive about the responses that may get posted.

Aviator

Negativity invites negativity.

iaink

I didnt find this post by C-C particularly negative, it was a fairly dispassionate warning about the reality that exists for many people coming over here.

But people sometimes just love to kill the messenger when its not an all together rosy view. Either that or they just ignore the message until they find themselves in that situation, when often they will say "Why did nobody warn me"

I will say that $50k for moving back seems on the high side. If I was that miserable here I would take any UK opportunity and eat the cost anyway if necessary.

canadian_critic

I'm commenting because it surprised me. I'm sure the information is all there but despite many years of prior research I guess I didn't have anything like the full picture. I'm not saying that's anyone's fault but my own, but I didn't want to just pass it by without at least raising this as a major issue here.

I think there are many things that you do not need to fully understand or have an accurate picture of, to still survive in Canada. But for me this discovery, whether or not the information was there, was not only a biggie but it's devastated my experience here. It's been such an incredible downturn that I'm afraid my memories of being here if I left tomorrow would be dogged by these bad experiences which overshadow the good ones.

JonboyE

Maybe so. However, even if the negativity is a normal and natural reaction to his less that perfect experiences, it's not going to help him get a job.


Why is is stupid? When you go to buy a new car do you tell the salesmen you are prepared to pay up to $20,000 for the car, but only offer $18,000?

This was rather the point of my anecdote about the waitresses. Which one was polite and which one was rude? It might have seemed that the Japanese waitress was much politer but in fact neither was especially polite or rude. They both behaved in a way that was normal and acceptable within their culture.

I don't see how we, as immigrants to Canada, should expect to be treated in any way other than is normal and acceptable in Canadian society.

Alan2005

Yes, don't waste your your time replying to unsuccessful candidates. It is much productive to post on an internet forum about how replying to unsuccessful candidates is not a productive use of time.

canadian_critic

Yep I'm very much in a niche area, and I'm impressed you remembered from that post some time ago. However I'm pretty dynamic and my emphasis in the past 18 months has been on a much much broader range of my skills, and positioning my niche skills as a bonus. So I'm not flogging a dead horse so to speak, although I suppose I would consider doing that if it paid well enough, and provided a bit of variety on the job, you know like being able to switch to killing two birds with one stone, every once in a while.