Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
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Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
I've been the financial beneficiary of a UK property held in Trust since 2009, which my Grandmother was living in (rent free). I emigrated in 2011 and now she's moved into a care home I need to sell it. I've been told in that in the UK I'd be liable for capital gains from 2009 - 2016. I don't know how I stand here though with respect to declaring worldwide income? Does anyone know an international tax advisor in/near Barrie, ON or have any advice they can offer? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
Hi Joe. I answered this in another thread earlier but the answer remains the same:
To best understand if you will be taxed or not, I would suggest asking the advice of a basic international tax accountant - either here in Canada, or the UK prior to doing so.
In the UK - you can obtain independent tax advice from an FCA approved provider (generally based in UK) and that advice is usually fee based- different for every advisor.
Caution is never a bad idea.
To best understand if you will be taxed or not, I would suggest asking the advice of a basic international tax accountant - either here in Canada, or the UK prior to doing so.
In the UK - you can obtain independent tax advice from an FCA approved provider (generally based in UK) and that advice is usually fee based- different for every advisor.
Caution is never a bad idea.
Last edited by BEVS; Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:13 pm.
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
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Would you happen to be a financial advisor, or perhaps work for one?
Would you happen to be a financial advisor, or perhaps work for one?
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
I've been the financial beneficiary of a UK property held in Trust since 2009, which my Grandmother was living in (rent free). I emigrated in 2011 and now she's moved into a care home I need to sell it. I've been told in that in the UK I'd be liable for capital gains from 2009 - 2016. I don't know how I stand here though with respect to declaring worldwide income? Does anyone know an international tax advisor in/near Barrie, ON or have any advice they can offer? Thanks in advance.
Who is the trustee? Who holds legal title to the property? (You don't need to name names, just the relationship to you and your mother.) Are there any beneficiaries of the trust apart from yourself? Or do you mean that you own the home and you have allowed your mother to live there?
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We need more details to before we can give any useful advice (we = all other posters - not a royal we).
Who is the trustee? Who holds legal title to the property? (You don't need to name names, just the relationship to you and your mother.) Are there any beneficiaries of the trust apart from yourself? Or do you mean that you own the home and you have allowed your mother to live there?
Who is the trustee? Who holds legal title to the property? (You don't need to name names, just the relationship to you and your mother.) Are there any beneficiaries of the trust apart from yourself? Or do you mean that you own the home and you have allowed your mother to live there?
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
Thanks for the replies. In short(ish), my Grandmother is the owner, her name is on the deeds and she is the trustee. She put the property in trust in 2001 with my Dad as the beneficiary. He died in 2009 and in his Will I became the beneficiary. My Grandmother carried on living there until Jan this year when she moved into a care home. She is now going to sell it for me. It's never been declared on a T-1135 by the tax firm I use, although I told them about it.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
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As a caution please read the sentence in my signature.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
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That makes sense to me, thanks for your help. The solicitor helping with the sale said UK CGT would apply, but they seemed to think I would pay it as per this?
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As a caution please read the sentence in my signature.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
Specified foreign property does not include personal-use property. Personal-use property is generally defined as property owned by the taxpayer that he or she or a related party uses primarily for personal and enjoyment purposes.
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Hi Aviator, I am, how did you guess? I decided to add my LinkedIn profile to my signature, but I don't think the forum would appreciate me going into more details than that - forum rule restrictions.
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
As a caution please read the sentence in my signature.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
OK, well this sounds like good news for you. You never owned the house so you had nothing to report about it. Generally, you only need report an interest in a foreign trust if you acquired it for value. Once the house sells and you receive the funds they will be reportable if they stay in the UK. This seems like an inheritance which is not taxable in Canada.
The trust may have to pay CGT on the house. That is a question for a UK accountant.
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
So in reference to this issue, the sale has been agreed in principle so I'm doing my due diligence and trying to take professional advice. I've trawled the internet and found a guy called Michael Atlas, who appears to be well qualified. He's reviewed my situation and is asking for $600 (+ tax) for his services. Does that sound like a reasonable price for this type of work or should I be looking elsewhere? Any advice from members here is appreciated.
I don't think you are being ripped off.
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
What exactly are his services? From what you have said, it seems there are potential tax implications both in the UK and Canada. Will Michael Atlas supply advice on both, or will you additionally need to employ a UK accountant? You should get a full written quote on exactly what he is going to do for the $600 (+ tax).
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Re: Selling a UK property in Trust - tax advice needed
What exactly are his services? From what you have said, it seems there are potential tax implications both in the UK and Canada. Will Michael Atlas supply advice on both, or will you additionally need to employ a UK accountant? You should get a full written quote on exactly what he is going to do for the $600 (+ tax).