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Oink Apr 24th 2011 7:16 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9323740)
Does this mean playing Mozart and reading Shakespeare to them in the womb?

It works for my tomato planets. :)

Zoe Bell Apr 24th 2011 7:16 am

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Do they orbit a cucumber sun ?:)

misplacedheidi Apr 24th 2011 7:18 am

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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 9323754)
Do they orbit a cucumber sun ?:)

That really is tooooo funny!:D

CanadaGeek Apr 24th 2011 8:00 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9322635)
misplacedheidi has given you a link to the Fraser Institute website. It is the only attempt at ranking schools in Canada. However, be aware that the Fraser Institute is not a disinterested body like Ofsted but a right wing think tank with an agenda to promote private over public services.

The BC government (who have been a fairly right wing lot for the last 10 years) recommend that you do not choose a school on the basis of the FI rankings and, from my limited experience of the school system here, I agree.

That said, I suppose you wouldn't be human if you didn't have a peek.

Around here the schools pretty much reflect the communities in which they are located. If you find somewhere that you would like to live the chances are that the local schools will suit your offspring just fine.

I agree. Though I am looking for a school for my kindergarten/1st grade going kid, I am ignoring Fraser ratings. The Fraser ratings does not include performance from all grades. Those just include what 4th grade and 7th grade performance are. I dont see why one would really make a decision based upon this data And then no school in BC really promote this FI rating system.

Oink Apr 24th 2011 9:03 am

Re: School Ratings
 
Instead of worrying about the schools, take the responsibility to enhance your child's educational experience with after and off school tutoring plus set specific goals of attainment.

ExKiwilass Apr 24th 2011 9:53 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9323730)
I second this advice. The FI rankings are load of bollocks and are effectively a political statement. The main determinate of a child's educational 'success' is parental involvement/educational level and a child's peer group. So, if you can barely string a coherent sentence together yourself and you move into a trailer park in the middle of nowhere, your kids will be buggered.

:rofl:

MillieF Apr 25th 2011 3:07 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9323833)
Instead of worrying about the schools, take the responsibility to enhance your child's educational experience with after and off school tutoring plus set specific goals of attainment.

Couldn't agree more....I do just that. I firmly believe that parents are the main movers in education, but they work in partnership with the school, unless you are going down the home schooling route which gives me horrors! The problematic bit comes when you are cast adrift in the open boat of ignorance, and groping blindly towards what one hopes to be a good school, based on nothing more tangible than an optimistic worldview.

Oakvillian Apr 25th 2011 6:36 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9323833)
Instead of worrying about the schools, take the responsibility to enhance your child's educational experience with after and off school tutoring plus set specific goals of attainment.

Now, now, Mr Oink, play nicely with the other kids, don't lead them down the path of temptation - next you'll be advocating that parents should turn up to their kids' job interviews and step in to negotiate salary and benefits...

"A Nation of Wimps" by the wonderfully-named Hara Estroff Marano should be required reading for every parent tempted by the hothousing/helicopter parenting/private tutoring crap that the likes of Sylvan or Oxford Learning promote. It can do a whole load more harm than good.

Oink Apr 25th 2011 6:42 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 9325610)
Now, now, Mr Oink, play nicely with the other kids, don't lead them down the path of temptation - next you'll be advocating that parents should turn up to their kids' job interviews and step in to negotiate salary and benefits...

"A Nation of Wimps" by the wonderfully-named Hara Estroff Marano should be required reading for every parent tempted by the hothousing/helicopter parenting/private tutoring crap that the likes of Sylvan or Oxford Learning promote. It can do a whole load more harm than good.

I don't mean dropping them off at some poorly staffed educational dustbin. There's a reason a lot children follow their parents profession, and that is a combination of exceptions coupled with the cultural capital to easily navigate the particular system.

bcmama Apr 25th 2011 9:49 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by Laura_Wilson (Post 9322524)
Is there a school rating system that applies to regular schools rather than the privately funded schools that is similar to our Ofsted system?

Hi there, we're moving next year so have started researching schools too. We narrowed down the area based on where we want to live and found the school district websites and contacts to be quite helpful. I did look at the FI site which has been quite useful, especially for giving a percentage of ESL pupils. I've made a few appointments to have a look around various schools so will take it from there. I think so much is down to the feeling you get when you look around isn't it. Good luck with your search and move.

jimf Apr 25th 2011 10:09 am

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9323730)
I second this advice. The FI rankings are load of bollocks and are effectively a political statement. The main determinate of a child's educational 'success' is parental involvement/educational level and a child's peer group. So, if you can barely string a coherent sentence together yourself and you move into a trailer park in the middle of nowhere, your kids will be buggered.

So following your logic a schools PAT results (measuring educational "success") are an indicator of the collective parental involvement/educational level and potential childs peer group at that school?

Zoe Bell Apr 25th 2011 11:32 am

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 9326001)
So following your logic a schools PAT results (measuring educational "success") are an indicator of the collective parental involvement/educational level and potential childs peer group at that school?

If they are anything like the NFER CAT tests in the UK then they are a test of the schools ability to play the system and fudge the results. My lack of anonymity meansi can't describe in detail how various schools I've worked in have played the system

Oakvillian Apr 25th 2011 1:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 9326130)
If they are anything like the NFER CAT tests in the UK then they are a test of the schools ability to play the system and fudge the results. My lack of anonymity meansi can't describe in detail how various schools I've worked in have played the system

I'm sure all of us who know teachers in the UK have heard stories of how a certain group of pupils conveniently fall ill on the day some of the tests are administered. Lo and behold, the school's mean mark goes up. :sneaky: I have heard tales of that and more devious shenanigans from enough independent sources to have an inkling of how widespread it is.

Zoe Bell Apr 25th 2011 1:46 pm

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Actually with so called "baseline testing" it is completely the opposite
You want your intake cohort to perform as badly as possible.

Boosts your value added scores

Only amateurs concentrate on trying to improve sats and gcse results, real experts work on the baseline you are judged from

Oakvillian Apr 25th 2011 2:09 pm

Re: School Ratings
 

Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 9326321)
Actually with so called "baseline testing" it is completely the opposite
You want your intake cohort to perform as badly as possible.

Boosts your value added scores

Only amateurs concentrate on trying to improve sats and gcse results, real experts work on the baseline you are judged from

Ah, now that's clever. Sort of like the old joke about asking for directions and being told "well, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here"....


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