Originally Posted by Nibbles2005 (Post 8461696)

Perhaps I should be more clear.

My partner has three bachelors degrees and a Masters Degree gained in the UK, has practices for twelve years and was a clinical director before we moved.

We knew she would have to go through credentialling before we came here and that may take 4-6 months but that process in reality is much more process laden than you think and even after that 6 months you may have to go back to university and then go through the process again before working. Even then there is a massive emphasis on canadian experience so she is looking at doing volunteer work while going through the process. However if you read the may published statistic the chances of immigrant selection over canadian nationals means there is only a 1 in 10 chance she will be selected at interview stage even if the best candidate.

Bridging and intern programmes are not valid because it is a regulated profession and if you read the statistics on this for any immigrant professionals it takes an average of 2yrs to find a job, only 31% end up working again in their profession once in Canada and 68% earn less than 50% of what they earned before they came to Canada. As the other poster said the problem is the mismatch that we got PR based on my partner being in a shortage profession and now the reality is it will probably be at least two years until she gets a job and over 10yrs based on statistical averages that she will get back to the same level as when she left the UK. It isn't like she has an NVQ from Bongo Bongo she is a clinical director with three degrees from the top UK universities.

What I am saying is not we came blindly but that people have to take even research with a pinch of salt come prepared and know the reality on the ground as to what it is like to find work even if highly qualified. We also need to challenge the status quo because otherwise both Canadian citizens awaiting treatment and skills uk immigrants all suffer

Originally Posted by babycart (Post 8464490)

Let's not try to embellish the system, the reality is that there is a disconnect between accepting your professional qualifications for the PR application, but disregarding it when you arrive.

There is preparation you can do up to a point, but you would have to be super efficient to have all your credential assessed and take all the necessary exams all in the one year time limit the Visa allows you before you get here. I have year to meet a person that has done that in any UK qualified profession ( and I mean this in the broadest terms).

Professional bodies here in Canada are run at a provisional level as a result there is a disconnect between the federal objective of immigration & the provincial agenda of protecting their members interest. Access to most professions is regulated & protectionist ( and that is done in the UK as well), however with Canada's immigration policy this does smack of contradictions.

Most expat professional are cash rich, & that what they bring to the country. A cynical part of me sees Canada's immigration policy as a cash grab and that there only reason why I can explain this discourse of agendas'. I would love to see the statistics for the amount the federal government benefits by allowing PR into the country. I can guarantee that most have put more into the economy in the first three years of arriving than most Canadians can achieve in 10 years.

Taking the exams is one thing, but making out that your qualifications from the UK are of limited value is a joke.

Originally Posted by Nibbles2005 (Post 8461696)

Perhaps I should be more clear.

My partner has three bachelors degrees and a Masters Degree gained in the UK, has practices for twelve years and was a clinical director before we moved.

We knew she would have to go through credentialling before we came here and that may take 4-6 months but that process in reality is much more process laden than you think and even after that 6 months you may have to go back to university and then go through the process again before working. Even then there is a massive emphasis on canadian experience so she is looking at doing volunteer work while going through the process. However if you read the may published statistic the chances of immigrant selection over canadian nationals means there is only a 1 in 10 chance she will be selected at interview stage even if the best candidate.

Bridging and intern programmes are not valid because it is a regulated profession and if you read the statistics on this for any immigrant professionals it takes an average of 2yrs to find a job, only 31% end up working again in their profession once in Canada and 68% earn less than 50% of what they earned before they came to Canada. As the other poster said the problem is the mismatch that we got PR based on my partner being in a shortage profession and now the reality is it will probably be at least two years until she gets a job and over 10yrs based on statistical averages that she will get back to the same level as when she left the UK. It isn't like she has an NVQ from Bongo Bongo she is a clinical director with three degrees from the top UK universities.

What I am saying is not we came blindly but that people have to take even research with a pinch of salt come prepared and know the reality on the ground as to what it is like to find work even if highly qualified. We also need to challenge the status quo because otherwise both Canadian citizens awaiting treatment and skills uk immigrants all suffer

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8464531)

So why bother emigrating when you could potentially throw all these degrees and experience down the drain?

Originally Posted by Nibbles2005 (Post 8464593)

Probably same reason you write boring predictable drivel in response to peoples posts and think it cool, yawn yawn yawn:zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:: zzz

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8462752)

Alberta_Rose didn't appear to find the same difficulties that your partner did (I apologise if she did).

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8464612)

It was a serious question, there's no need to be rude. There seems to be a recurring theme on BE, that people with decent jobs, who live in nice places move to Canada, find that their experience, skills and qualifications aren't valued very highly. I'm just trying to understand the motivation of moving to somewhere you'll have a hard time maintaining the standard of living you had before. I thought it might be helpful so other people don’t make the same mistake.

Originally Posted by babycart (Post 8464490)

Let's not try to embellish the system, the reality is that there is a disconnect between accepting your professional qualifications for the PR application, but disregarding it when you arrive.

There is preparation you can do up to a point, but you would have to be super efficient to have all your credential assessed and take all the necessary exams all in the one year time limit the Visa allows you before you get here. I have year to meet a person that has done that in any UK qualified profession ( and I mean this in the broadest terms).

Professional bodies here in Canada are run at a provisional level as a result there is a disconnect between the federal objective of immigration & the provincial agenda of protecting their members interest. Access to most professions is regulated & protectionist ( and that is done in the UK as well), however with Canada's immigration policy this does smack of contradictions.

Most expat professional are cash rich, & that what they bring to the country. A cynical part of me sees Canada's immigration policy as a cash grab and that there only reason why I can explain this discourse of agendas'. I would love to see the statistics for the amount the federal government benefits by allowing PR into the country. I can guarantee that most have put more into the economy in the first three years of arriving than most Canadians can achieve in 10 years.

Taking the exams is one thing, but making out that your qualifications from the UK are of limited value is a joke.

Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 8466021)

It's not a cash grab. it's just federal policy having little or nothing to do with provincial professional realities. the feds can't change provincial professional regulations and the provinces can't change federal immigration policy, even though it may not match up with what the reality is, because of the way government in Canada is set up. In other words, it's typical human failings at work. And you acknowledge yourself that the UK is the SAME vis a vis professions: so why should Canada be any different?

I'm really trying to empathize, but I can't help feeling that some of the professionals who emigrate have a certain expectation that, because of who they are in their home countries, they should just slot into that in Canada. That can't be matched in Canada. I mean, again, none of this is news. it's been talked about again and again. I'm at a loss as to how you could emigrate and not know this stuff? :confused:

Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 8466021)

It's not a cash grab. it's just federal policy having little or nothing to do with provincial professional realities. the feds can't change provincial professional regulations and the provinces can't change federal immigration policy, even though it may not match up with what the reality is, because of the way government in Canada is set up.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8466060)

A lot of provincial regulations shouldn't really exist separately anyway, there is no reason that some things (e.g. driving licences) should be provincial rather than federal. Standards are great, but they are better when they are universally applied, i.e. the province should just decide what services it offers, not who is/isn't qualified to be a nurse etc. I accept that this will never change - but one of the main causes of bureaucracy in this country is that there are many organizations doing the same thing. Don't they know about economies of scale here?

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8466060)

A lot of provincial regulations shouldn't really exist separately anyway, there is no reason that some things (e.g. driving licences) should be provincial rather than federal. Standards are great, but they are better when they are universally applied, i.e. the province should just decide what services it offers, not who is/isn't qualified to be a nurse etc. I accept that this will never change - but one of the main causes of bureaucracy in this country is that there are many organizations doing the same thing. Don't they know about economies of scale here?

Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 8466021)

I mean, again, none of this is news. it's been talked about again and again. I'm at a loss as to how you could emigrate and not know this stuff? :confused: