Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
#16
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Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
I agree about the chance of getting a job as an urban planner. It is somewhere between slim and none.
However, logistics is a big business in Vancouver. Vancouver is the largest port in Canada and the fourth largest in North America. It is a distribution hub to eastern Canada and western USA and the point of export of Canadian goods and resources to Asia. There is certainly some opportunity here.
Two things to keep in mind:
1) Generally, companies will not recruit overseas unless they are desperate. Personal contact is a central part of the recruitment process. Someone they can sit down and chat to, and who has some work and personal referees the employer can chat to, has a huge advantage over a faceless person on the end of an email.
Because of this I agree with others above that you should consider the WHV if your occupation is not on the new FSW 1 list from July 1. A year is a long time to find a job and, if you have anything about you, to persuade an employer to sponsor you for a TWP then PR or for the PNP.
2) I see that you have experience in process improvement. Great, and if you have verifiable and quantifiable examples to show potential employers all the better. However, be aware that despite our similarities there are countless subtle cultural differences in the workplace. Make sure you take the time to understand them and make sure you know why things are done the way they are done before you start shaking things up.
As you will know, successful change management is about communication and persuasion. If you go at it with an attitude of "I'll whip these backward colonials into shape by making them operate in the advanced way we do in the UK" you will quickly find your employment is "not working out."
However, logistics is a big business in Vancouver. Vancouver is the largest port in Canada and the fourth largest in North America. It is a distribution hub to eastern Canada and western USA and the point of export of Canadian goods and resources to Asia. There is certainly some opportunity here.
Two things to keep in mind:
1) Generally, companies will not recruit overseas unless they are desperate. Personal contact is a central part of the recruitment process. Someone they can sit down and chat to, and who has some work and personal referees the employer can chat to, has a huge advantage over a faceless person on the end of an email.
Because of this I agree with others above that you should consider the WHV if your occupation is not on the new FSW 1 list from July 1. A year is a long time to find a job and, if you have anything about you, to persuade an employer to sponsor you for a TWP then PR or for the PNP.
2) I see that you have experience in process improvement. Great, and if you have verifiable and quantifiable examples to show potential employers all the better. However, be aware that despite our similarities there are countless subtle cultural differences in the workplace. Make sure you take the time to understand them and make sure you know why things are done the way they are done before you start shaking things up.
As you will know, successful change management is about communication and persuasion. If you go at it with an attitude of "I'll whip these backward colonials into shape by making them operate in the advanced way we do in the UK" you will quickly find your employment is "not working out."
#17
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
There is two of you in different fields. Only one of you need achieve an employer who wants to get you a work permit and you are both good to stay. Once you have the work permit you can move towards PR easily.
If you are not on the list you are done and if you are you will still more than likely get stuck in a lengthy process.
#18
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Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Thanks all for your responses, it's nice to know that people do read the forum.
Just so that I'm clear, we're aware of all of our options to come into Canada. We've spent a long time doing research, both in and out of Canada and with the help of a lot of experienced registered Canadian emigration consultants. Before any of you jump in - we've not paid for this advice, as we know we could get it for free.
I'm cautious of the WHV for a number of reasons:
1) Employers are nervous when they find out that you are on a WHV initially - as they think they will train you up for you to bugger off a year or two later. Because of this, they don't tend to recruit the kind of jobs that I want, thus giving me no opportunity to get a sponsor for a longer work permit, pr or pnp.
2) Canada protects it's self - I have 3 friends who have had to leave after the expiration of their WHV, and one who got work permit for 1 year after his WHV which wasn't renewed - that means no further entry into Canada for 4 years.
3) I'm moving my life - house, belongings, the cat - everything. We know we like Canada, we know we fit in, we know that it's Vancouver we want to live in, despite the rest of Canada being beautiful! We know it's going tp be hard and we know it can take time - but we know we have to do it properly.
Re comment about bulldozing people into the British way of working: That's exactly what we're trying to escape. Urgent in Canada means get it done by the end of the week, not by 5pm, working through your lunch and getting clinically stressed like we do in the UK.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
Keep the comments coming guys - and if possible, refer back to my initial post - if anyone knows of any recruiters that are considering hiring with an LMO, get in touch.
Thanks all
A
Just so that I'm clear, we're aware of all of our options to come into Canada. We've spent a long time doing research, both in and out of Canada and with the help of a lot of experienced registered Canadian emigration consultants. Before any of you jump in - we've not paid for this advice, as we know we could get it for free.
I'm cautious of the WHV for a number of reasons:
1) Employers are nervous when they find out that you are on a WHV initially - as they think they will train you up for you to bugger off a year or two later. Because of this, they don't tend to recruit the kind of jobs that I want, thus giving me no opportunity to get a sponsor for a longer work permit, pr or pnp.
2) Canada protects it's self - I have 3 friends who have had to leave after the expiration of their WHV, and one who got work permit for 1 year after his WHV which wasn't renewed - that means no further entry into Canada for 4 years.
3) I'm moving my life - house, belongings, the cat - everything. We know we like Canada, we know we fit in, we know that it's Vancouver we want to live in, despite the rest of Canada being beautiful! We know it's going tp be hard and we know it can take time - but we know we have to do it properly.
Re comment about bulldozing people into the British way of working: That's exactly what we're trying to escape. Urgent in Canada means get it done by the end of the week, not by 5pm, working through your lunch and getting clinically stressed like we do in the UK.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
Keep the comments coming guys - and if possible, refer back to my initial post - if anyone knows of any recruiters that are considering hiring with an LMO, get in touch.
Thanks all
A
#19
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Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
I understand your concerns, and I'm not sure that I would have been brave enough to pack up, lock stock and barrel, and move to Canada if I did not have the certainty of PR at the time.
However, I have been here a number of years so I know how important inter-personal relationships are in business. I honestly believe that this is your best chance to secure the kind of work you want. Don't expect to be hired with a view to being trained into a role. You will get hired if you have skills that are valuable to the employer right now. This is true whether or not you are here on a WHV or applying from the UK.
If the WHV is not an option then read the wiki articles on job hunting. Here http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Canada_is_different!!! and here http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Quick_...uctions-Canada to start with. You can establish relationships form the UK but it is more difficult. LinkedIn is also worthwhile. Plan or making some visits for formal and informal interviews.
However, I have been here a number of years so I know how important inter-personal relationships are in business. I honestly believe that this is your best chance to secure the kind of work you want. Don't expect to be hired with a view to being trained into a role. You will get hired if you have skills that are valuable to the employer right now. This is true whether or not you are here on a WHV or applying from the UK.
If the WHV is not an option then read the wiki articles on job hunting. Here http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Canada_is_different!!! and here http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Quick_...uctions-Canada to start with. You can establish relationships form the UK but it is more difficult. LinkedIn is also worthwhile. Plan or making some visits for formal and informal interviews.
#20
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Thanks all for your responses, it's nice to know that people do read the forum.
Just so that I'm clear, we're aware of all of our options to come into Canada. We've spent a long time doing research, both in and out of Canada and with the help of a lot of experienced registered Canadian emigration consultants. Before any of you jump in - we've not paid for this advice, as we know we could get it for free.
I'm cautious of the WHV for a number of reasons:
1) Employers are nervous when they find out that you are on a WHV initially - as they think they will train you up for you to bugger off a year or two later. Because of this, they don't tend to recruit the kind of jobs that I want, thus giving me no opportunity to get a sponsor for a longer work permit, pr or pnp.
2) Canada protects it's self - I have 3 friends who have had to leave after the expiration of their WHV, and one who got work permit for 1 year after his WHV which wasn't renewed - that means no further entry into Canada for 4 years.
3) I'm moving my life - house, belongings, the cat - everything. We know we like Canada, we know we fit in, we know that it's Vancouver we want to live in, despite the rest of Canada being beautiful! We know it's going tp be hard and we know it can take time - but we know we have to do it properly.
Re comment about bulldozing people into the British way of working: That's exactly what we're trying to escape. Urgent in Canada means get it done by the end of the week, not by 5pm, working through your lunch and getting clinically stressed like we do in the UK.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
Keep the comments coming guys - and if possible, refer back to my initial post - if anyone knows of any recruiters that are considering hiring with an LMO, get in touch.
Thanks all
A
Just so that I'm clear, we're aware of all of our options to come into Canada. We've spent a long time doing research, both in and out of Canada and with the help of a lot of experienced registered Canadian emigration consultants. Before any of you jump in - we've not paid for this advice, as we know we could get it for free.
I'm cautious of the WHV for a number of reasons:
1) Employers are nervous when they find out that you are on a WHV initially - as they think they will train you up for you to bugger off a year or two later. Because of this, they don't tend to recruit the kind of jobs that I want, thus giving me no opportunity to get a sponsor for a longer work permit, pr or pnp.
2) Canada protects it's self - I have 3 friends who have had to leave after the expiration of their WHV, and one who got work permit for 1 year after his WHV which wasn't renewed - that means no further entry into Canada for 4 years.
3) I'm moving my life - house, belongings, the cat - everything. We know we like Canada, we know we fit in, we know that it's Vancouver we want to live in, despite the rest of Canada being beautiful! We know it's going tp be hard and we know it can take time - but we know we have to do it properly.
Re comment about bulldozing people into the British way of working: That's exactly what we're trying to escape. Urgent in Canada means get it done by the end of the week, not by 5pm, working through your lunch and getting clinically stressed like we do in the UK.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
Keep the comments coming guys - and if possible, refer back to my initial post - if anyone knows of any recruiters that are considering hiring with an LMO, get in touch.
Thanks all
A
I would wager the roles you're not willing to do are the ones offering LMO.
It's a very closeted envirinment here so to be successful in the most part, you really need to be here. The WHV gives you that opportunity. At least that way you can work freely unlike if you were on a temporary visa.
Emigrating is always a risk. Whether you come on a 2yr TWP or a 1yr WHV, you'll not know if it'll work until you jump in.
Good luck, and clean those glasses of yours
I don't know recruiters I'm afraid. I think planning work is out so concentrate on building contacts in logistics etc.
#21
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
My boyfriend came out here on a WHV, and his employer had no qualms whatsoever about keeping him. He was also on the original version with only one year.
He's now going the PNP route and all is good. Obviously every situation is different, but as a recruiter I have seen lots of companies sponsor people to stay here.
If you really want to come out here, WHV is the best way.
He's now going the PNP route and all is good. Obviously every situation is different, but as a recruiter I have seen lots of companies sponsor people to stay here.
If you really want to come out here, WHV is the best way.
#22
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Joined: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
My boyfriend came out here on a WHV, and his employer had no qualms whatsoever about keeping him. He was also on the original version with only one year.
He's now going the PNP route and all is good. Obviously every situation is different, but as a recruiter I have seen lots of companies sponsor people to stay here.
If you really want to come out here, WHV is the best way.
He's now going the PNP route and all is good. Obviously every situation is different, but as a recruiter I have seen lots of companies sponsor people to stay here.
If you really want to come out here, WHV is the best way.
#23
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
TRe comment about bulldozing people into the British way of working: That's exactly what we're trying to escape. Urgent in Canada means get it done by the end of the week, not by 5pm, working through your lunch and getting clinically stressed like we do in the UK.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
The Canadian work ethic is amazing - work hard, be rewarded - enjoy life.
There are no rose tinted glasses here, work is work whatever country you live in.
One of you works in logistics? That's part of what I do, at Director level in Canada. Getting it done by the end of the week tends not to work so well when you are talking about fulfilling customer orders. Getting it done today is the norm. Of course, geographically I'm closer to UK than I am to Vancouver so maybe on the west coast, it's all a bit more relaxed. But I doubt it.
I genuinely wish you the best in your quest to move to Vancouver. But you come across as very much wearing a pair of rose tinted glasses I'm afraid.
Last edited by Atlantic Xpat; Jun 23rd 2012 at 2:37 am.
#24
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
I think the West coast is perhaps a little more relaxed than Toronto and the East in general. My day to day experience is really only of the West coast so it's a bit difficult to make comparrisons. I certainly find "doing business" here can be frustration at times. Some companies and individuals within those companies can be highly professional and efficient - but there are a lot more that adopt what is called "Island Time"!
Saying that, if you are one of the group who is prepared to be professional and work hard, it isn't difficult to stand out or be noticed - and so get on well in business.
Just as an asside, is your profession one that is currently on the list for FSW status?
Saying that, if you are one of the group who is prepared to be professional and work hard, it isn't difficult to stand out or be noticed - and so get on well in business.
Just as an asside, is your profession one that is currently on the list for FSW status?
#25
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Urban planning - pfft ! Came over in 2008 am RTPI and PIBC on TWP on husbands job. Worked in Local Govnt in Uk from 89 to 2008 - team leader mud management etc....,,
Hmmm now I wear Lycra and work at the gym
Oh not for lack of trying, interviewing, volunteering, committee work etc.
Sorry you don't have Canadian experience.... Ok I will apply for the more junior roles ...... Sorry you are over qualified!
It's not as tho I don't know all the COV planners etc due to hubby's job!
Hey ho maybe you will get in as you are prob not as old and therefore less experienced .... I dunno .
But tbh I don't have to work or need the hassle of a full time job so am happy prancing on lycra and making people sweat, which I must be good at as I have just been nominated as BCs Group Ex Instructor of the Year!
Hmmm now I wear Lycra and work at the gym
Oh not for lack of trying, interviewing, volunteering, committee work etc.
Sorry you don't have Canadian experience.... Ok I will apply for the more junior roles ...... Sorry you are over qualified!
It's not as tho I don't know all the COV planners etc due to hubby's job!
Hey ho maybe you will get in as you are prob not as old and therefore less experienced .... I dunno .
But tbh I don't have to work or need the hassle of a full time job so am happy prancing on lycra and making people sweat, which I must be good at as I have just been nominated as BCs Group Ex Instructor of the Year!
#26
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Don't count on that - translunar wanted my OH - even with PR politics made it. V v v tough call.
#27
Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Another ex-uk planner here! I got myself a job in a rural municipality in Alberta pretty much as soon as I got a Permanent Resident visa back in late 2007. Got it on the back of a phone interview too! The City of Calgary also recruited some UK planners a couple of years back and sorted out visa sponsorship and stuff but job opportunities have tailed off quite a bit since I started. Word was that mid-career planners were in short supply in Alberta due to abolition of the regional planning commission in the Ralph Klein era hence a lot of planners retrained and left planning altogether creating a skills gap.
I applied for jobs in both BC and Alberta at the time and while I had a few interviews for the Alberta positions I never had a single sniff from the numerous positions I applied for in BC, despite principal level experience, policy, environment and transport experience, RTPI and CIP provisional membership.
I would think it highly unlikely you would find a planning job that would sponsor a visa at the current time. One of the issues with municipalities is they are often union positions, so over here unions are a bit 'stronger' for want of a better word. That basically means if a union position is advertised they have to interview all the internal union people first and if they meet the criteria then they get the job! If you have a particular specialism you might be better to target the consultancy side of things. You may even luck out if planners are mentioned on the annual federal skills list when it comes out in July.
To be honest planning (in Alberta anyway) isn't a patch on that in the UK believe it or not! In my experience it boiled down to arguing the toss over wording in policy documents, allowing completely outrageous development proposals in the middle of nowhere, no proper policy framework, a cliquey system (too cliquey for my liking) where consultants and municipal planners knew each other so well that it felt a little uncomfortable to me, consultants just churned out exactly the same identikit development plan documents and just changed the name of the development on the cover! Hence I quit after nine months and temped instead!!!
Having said all that don't give up and good luck!
Flossie
I applied for jobs in both BC and Alberta at the time and while I had a few interviews for the Alberta positions I never had a single sniff from the numerous positions I applied for in BC, despite principal level experience, policy, environment and transport experience, RTPI and CIP provisional membership.
I would think it highly unlikely you would find a planning job that would sponsor a visa at the current time. One of the issues with municipalities is they are often union positions, so over here unions are a bit 'stronger' for want of a better word. That basically means if a union position is advertised they have to interview all the internal union people first and if they meet the criteria then they get the job! If you have a particular specialism you might be better to target the consultancy side of things. You may even luck out if planners are mentioned on the annual federal skills list when it comes out in July.
To be honest planning (in Alberta anyway) isn't a patch on that in the UK believe it or not! In my experience it boiled down to arguing the toss over wording in policy documents, allowing completely outrageous development proposals in the middle of nowhere, no proper policy framework, a cliquey system (too cliquey for my liking) where consultants and municipal planners knew each other so well that it felt a little uncomfortable to me, consultants just churned out exactly the same identikit development plan documents and just changed the name of the development on the cover! Hence I quit after nine months and temped instead!!!
Having said all that don't give up and good luck!
Flossie
#30
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Recruiting in Vancouver from the UK
Yeah, i think that's what happens when rose-tinted specs shatter