Re JET747s post about Catholic schools
Jan 22nd 2009, 11:11 pm
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Re: Re JET747s post about Catholic schools
COming to this argument late- and haven't read all the threads.
I disagree with the stance taken by quite few catholic school baords in Alberta on the HPV vaccine. They refused for them to be administered in the schools and whilst parents could go to another clinic to get them, only 20% of girls attending these catholic schools have been vacinated.
Just thought I would throw this into the mix....
I disagree with the stance taken by quite few catholic school baords in Alberta on the HPV vaccine. They refused for them to be administered in the schools and whilst parents could go to another clinic to get them, only 20% of girls attending these catholic schools have been vacinated.
Just thought I would throw this into the mix....
Jan 22nd 2009, 11:23 pm
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Since Catholics are superstitious child abusers: what kind of monster could send his own daughter to a Catholic School?
Jan 22nd 2009, 11:43 pm
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Daughter. That means a girl. Safe among priests.
Jan 23rd 2009, 12:04 am
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That's true of all abused children, is it not? Nonetheless, priests have a history of abuse not mirrored in other religions or occupations, they're a fair target for a joke.
Wrong: For a start it's not a joke. The Church does not treat sexual abuse it as a joke, nor do the victims or parents, or laity, or police.
Secondly, most catholics are not priests, so to suggest that a Catholic flounce includes robes and child abuse is an outrageouse caricature.
Thirdly the vast majority of priests do not abuse, nor do they abuse more than people from any other profession or religion. I could just as tritely claim that anglican choir masters could validly make that claim! Or male English school teachers, or public school boys, or the Royal Navy ("Hello Sailor!") or rugby players!. Or male hairdressers.....
Farmers are famous abusers of chickens and pigs.
Daughter. That means a girl. Safe among priests.
Not necessarilly - most are raging heterosexuals, and hockey fans!
Wrong: For a start it's not a joke. The Church does not treat sexual abuse it as a joke, nor do the victims or parents, or laity, or police.
Secondly, most catholics are not priests, so to suggest that a Catholic flounce includes robes and child abuse is an outrageouse caricature.
Thirdly the vast majority of priests do not abuse, nor do they abuse more than people from any other profession or religion. I could just as tritely claim that anglican choir masters could validly make that claim! Or male English school teachers, or public school boys, or the Royal Navy ("Hello Sailor!") or rugby players!. Or male hairdressers.....
Farmers are famous abusers of chickens and pigs.
Daughter. That means a girl. Safe among priests.
Not necessarilly - most are raging heterosexuals, and hockey fans!
Jan 23rd 2009, 1:08 am
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I think, sir, that you protest too much. It may be that closet homosexuality could exist without the priesthood but I doubt the converse is true.
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
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Jan 23rd 2009, 1:29 am
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I think, sir, that you protest too much. It may be that closet homosexuality could exist without the priesthood but I doubt the converse is true.
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
While such incidences were ignored, hidden, brushed over in the past that is not true of the present. All applicants are tested psychologially before they enter training. Any abuse is dealt with by the judicial system as well as the diocese. Hundreds of millions have been paid in compensation.
You can be a raging heterosexual and celibate - I was for 6 years as a theology student and franciscan friar, before I quit to get married.
Regarding your curious list: none of those cults/religions/pop groups were were culturally embedded in the founding communities of this country. However, if the fan club of Boy George and the Church of the Poisoned Mind wants to start a charter school in Alberta and receive a per student grant they are welcome to, as long as they abide by the Alberta curriculum.
I can't speak for Ontario - backwards place that it is.
I'm glad your chickens are recovering!
Jan 23rd 2009, 11:49 am
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Jan 23rd 2009, 11:51 am
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I think, sir, that you protest too much. It may be that closet homosexuality could exist without the priesthood but I doubt the converse is true.
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
The church treats child sexual abuse by priests as something to deny and conceal, not as a joke but as something that didn't happen. It may not be the case that most priests abuse but the comfort and concealment offered by the church to those who do suggests that one should not leave a boy unattended in the company of anyone sworn to celibacy.
One wishes chickens and pigs were offered as sacrificial lambs by your errant priests; by all accounts they have short memories, five minutes of robed frolic doesn't leave them with decades of pain.
Finally, on the church bashing front, doesn't the idea that priests are "raging hetrosexuals" rather clash with their vows?
Meanwhile, back at the central argument, why does this church deserve the taxpayers support over and above the polygamist spring offs of the Mormons, the church of Monday Night Football, the Church of the Poisoned Mind, or any other group of liked minded individuals?
Jan 23rd 2009, 12:07 pm
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Incidences of sexual abuse should be far lower than any other profession. But then thats the problem isn't it? Are they serving their God or is it just a job with a lot of privleges?
Jan 23rd 2009, 12:19 pm
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It is unbelievable the longevity of the constant bickering that is going on. It makes me wonder if people have been laid off and are filling in their time with cheap humour. 
We have a friend who is a barrister. 90% of abuse happens either by a family member or a close friend---the 10% of others may be teachers ,clergy ,policemen, lawyers--anyone. So this repulsive act of abuse is more likely to occur in your own home than in any church.
Saying that no abuse is acceptable and it should be rightly rooted out.
I don't think there are any death camps--maybe in Africa--but I can't see us ever going down this road again in the west.
I think it is time to turn the other cheek and to move on to the more important topics in the forum of helping each other out, rather than keeping the posts going here which the original poster probably is also fed up with.
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We have a friend who is a barrister. 90% of abuse happens either by a family member or a close friend---the 10% of others may be teachers ,clergy ,policemen, lawyers--anyone. So this repulsive act of abuse is more likely to occur in your own home than in any church.
Saying that no abuse is acceptable and it should be rightly rooted out.
I don't think there are any death camps--maybe in Africa--but I can't see us ever going down this road again in the west.
I think it is time to turn the other cheek and to move on to the more important topics in the forum of helping each other out, rather than keeping the posts going here which the original poster probably is also fed up with.
Keep Smiling
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Jan 23rd 2009, 12:20 pm
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Are we talking someone in general, or someone I know? As far as I know, no-one I personally know of is at risk of being sent to a death camp. We could generalise, theorise and justify anything we want to, but until each one of us is in that situation, we won't know how much we're willing to bend our morals.
Would forging a baptismal certificate to save someone from a death camp justify doing the same to gain entry to a better school. No it would not.
Jan 23rd 2009, 12:21 pm
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Is the barrister a pedalo? I don't trust people with jobs involving costumes.
Jan 23rd 2009, 12:38 pm
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Nothng is special about "catholics" it's catholic communities that have the legal and historical (special?) right under the constitution of Canada to have state funding for their schools. Where Catholics are in a minority the public board is non-catholic. Where catholics are ion the majority the public board is catholic. In St. Albert the separate school system is non-catholic.
To say the separate school system is "non-catholic" is not untrue, but its not quite the whole truth. "St. Albert Protestant Schools" is the title of the separate school board in St Albert. According to the website it is a "non-denominational setting".
According to the St Albert catholic school board........
"Greater St. Albert Catholic Schools is a welcoming, Christ-centered learning community. We offer a strong, loving Christian environment that is rooted in Catholic principles. We respect students as gifts from God and welcome students from all religious backgrounds who wish to participate in a Catholic school environment. Prayer is an integral part of our environment. (see Religion Education Program) Many parents of non-Catholic Christian denominations, or no particular faith, are very satisfied with our programs."
So it looks like anyone can attend the St Albert catholic schools in theory. The wording is interesting though in that it specifically states Christian or no faith parents are satisfied but doesn't mention parents of any other non christian faiths.
To say the separate school system is "non-catholic" is not untrue, but its not quite the whole truth. "St. Albert Protestant Schools" is the title of the separate school board in St Albert. According to the website it is a "non-denominational setting".
According to the St Albert catholic school board........
"Greater St. Albert Catholic Schools is a welcoming, Christ-centered learning community. We offer a strong, loving Christian environment that is rooted in Catholic principles. We respect students as gifts from God and welcome students from all religious backgrounds who wish to participate in a Catholic school environment. Prayer is an integral part of our environment. (see Religion Education Program) Many parents of non-Catholic Christian denominations, or no particular faith, are very satisfied with our programs."
So it looks like anyone can attend the St Albert catholic schools in theory. The wording is interesting though in that it specifically states Christian or no faith parents are satisfied but doesn't mention parents of any other non christian faiths.
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