Racist Employers
#121
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Re: Racist Employers
The notion that the UK is somehow more "advanced" in dealing with racism is laughable.
#122
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Re: Racist Employers
It's not a matter of being behind or ahead in reality. the UK is traditionally not a country built on immigration, Canada is, canada is much younger, they are very different and i wish people would open their eyes and realise just because they're used to things being a certain way doesn't mean it's more enlightened or better.
#124
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Re: Racist Employers
Unfortunately some do say things they shouldn't.
I had a long discussion with an (Government) Employment Assistance Department associate. She told me, in no uncertain terms that I was very unlikely to ever get a job again for the following reasons:
1) Too old, employers want college leavers they can train
2) Hearing impaired - employers would be put off thinking they would have to supply me with specialist equipment (not true)
3) No recent educational certification and
4) Immigrant with only a small amount of Canadian employment experience.
Had I had it in writing I would have had no hesitation in reporting her to Human Rights as they were discriminatory statements.
I had a long discussion with an (Government) Employment Assistance Department associate. She told me, in no uncertain terms that I was very unlikely to ever get a job again for the following reasons:
1) Too old, employers want college leavers they can train
2) Hearing impaired - employers would be put off thinking they would have to supply me with specialist equipment (not true)
3) No recent educational certification and
4) Immigrant with only a small amount of Canadian employment experience.
Had I had it in writing I would have had no hesitation in reporting her to Human Rights as they were discriminatory statements.
#125
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Re: Racist Employers
She made me feel completely useless and very sad. I'm not suggesting that she should have painted a rosy picture, but she really was quite rude and unpleasant.
#126
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Re: Racist Employers
Dismissing the notion that another country is better at integration, common purpose and value building is the main problem in Canada...eg above quote. The UK has experience that Canada and other countries could benefit from. It has unique insights/knowledge gained from first hand experience over the centuries and real experience in the realities of war and hardships on its own soil that reveal the human side of life. For a small island, the UK has much to be admired in having taken all problems relating to differences in culture and race of the world yet retained a common understanding and purpose without compromising on the democratic process and the rule of law.
#127
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Re: Racist Employers
..and it seems she had no idea what she was talking about. In my earlier career, it was international experience that got me the job. Employers want reliability, commitment and enthusiasm. 'Like themselves' is a ridiculous thing to say in my opinion and has never occurred to us as employers.
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Re: Racist Employers
...The UK has experience that Canada and other countries could benefit from. It has unique insights/knowledge gained from first hand experience over the centuries and real experience in the realities of war and hardships on its own soil that reveal the human side of life. For a small island, the UK has much to be admired in having taken all problems relating to differences in culture and race of the world yet retained a common understanding and purpose without compromising on the democratic process and the rule of law.
#131
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Re: Racist Employers
..and it seems she had no idea what she was talking about. In my earlier career, it was international experience that got me the job. Employers want reliability, commitment and enthusiasm. 'Like themselves' is a ridiculous thing to say in my opinion and has never occurred to us as employers.
Happens a lot in companies these days, but its generally worded as finding employees who match our corporate culture and they even have tests designed to weed people who don't match the corporate culture out from the hiring process.
Its more common then people think.
My industry likes experience, but they won't generally pay for experience, so if someone without experience will work for the low wages offered and the experienced person won't, they almost always go for who will work the cheapest, hotels just don't want to pay for experience unless in management, more power when in management.
I wish hotels would pay for experience, generally they won't and its the starting wage regardless if your 10 years experienced, or 19 and have never worked before, they hire based on who asks for the lowest wage generally. Unless union then the wages are better but based on length of service with that company, so experience isn't worth extra money but may get you hired.
Seems companies more often want experience but don't want to pay more for it, glad to see your company values the experience people bring to them.
I haven't come across racist employers, but there are lots of business owners who don't want to invest money into their business and then complain it doesn't make money, its like duh if your not investing into it, and its not on par with competition, how do you expect to make money?
#132
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Re: Racist Employers
We don't want clones of ourselves, but we do look for employees who share our values and goals.
#133
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Re: Racist Employers
You are mistaking 'Values' or corporate culture for employers seeking clones of themselves. All business, for success, should not only want, but need employees who share their values. Those that don't share values can often be working against the business and its goals, often being disruptive with other employees.
We don't want clones of ourselves, but we do look for employees who share our values and goals.
We don't want clones of ourselves, but we do look for employees who share our values and goals.
Same thing to me as wanting clones.
Companies have no values, they may say they do, but their actions show otherwise, and companies and employees almost never have the same goals.
Last edited by scrubbedexpat091; Apr 28th 2015 at 3:02 pm.
#134
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Re: Racist Employers
If one does not like the business or its goals, one always has a choice to take ones labour elsewhere or perhaps start their own business and reep the rewards of their labour themselves.
If a business doe snot profit, what is the point of a business?
Many of these so called greedy businesses have unions and pension funds as investors, who are reaping the rewards of their activities.
The companies I know of have high values and do a lot of good community work and encourage their employees to do so. I am sure there are some less scrupulous ones, as there are folks in every walk of life. Dishonesty, greed, lack of values and ethics is not the exclusive domain of corporate culture or lack of.
Last edited by Aviator; Apr 28th 2015 at 3:07 pm.
#135
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Re: Racist Employers
thank you. I used UKIP because my brother and girlfriend (both in UK) said the UKIP was very anti-immigrant, but maybe that's just in their area.