Racist Employers
Apr 25th 2015, 5:16 pm
#91
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Re: Racist Employers
As for 'playing the race card', if you read the actual original post and not just the title, that seems an unfair allegation.
Apr 25th 2015, 5:25 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
I am Mohammed the husband.
Canadian employment office replied to us with this email please read it
Hi Mohammed,
You are not too old to work as a plumber. Retirement age in Canada is 65 and most some people work until they're 70 :0)
I've been in this business for many, many years and to be very honest with you, I'm very sad to say that unfortunately some people are racist. It's a terrible thing and I have on several occasions confronted the employers and questioned them on this...so it's just a matter of finding the right employer. The Federal Skilled Trade Class is not a point system so your age will not be a consideration.
I still think the Express Entry is a very good option for you and worth a try.....you will have to have your credentials assessed through ECA and a qualifying agency. And, you will have to have a language test, but we will advise you on all of that.
Let us know if we can help, and in the meantime I will keep looking for an employer.
Thank you for your patience...
I know one thing about Canada ( its a lovely country with lovely people )
My heart is on Canada every time I look up the country, I feel very happy about the country.
I moved to the UK in 1996, I have faced racism, but it never gave me a hard time, as my personality and my hard work changed peoples opinion about me and people began to respect me for who I am
Thanks ppl
Canadian employment office replied to us with this email please read it
Hi Mohammed,
You are not too old to work as a plumber. Retirement age in Canada is 65 and most some people work until they're 70 :0)
I've been in this business for many, many years and to be very honest with you, I'm very sad to say that unfortunately some people are racist. It's a terrible thing and I have on several occasions confronted the employers and questioned them on this...so it's just a matter of finding the right employer. The Federal Skilled Trade Class is not a point system so your age will not be a consideration.
I still think the Express Entry is a very good option for you and worth a try.....you will have to have your credentials assessed through ECA and a qualifying agency. And, you will have to have a language test, but we will advise you on all of that.
Let us know if we can help, and in the meantime I will keep looking for an employer.
Thank you for your patience...
I know one thing about Canada ( its a lovely country with lovely people )
My heart is on Canada every time I look up the country, I feel very happy about the country.
I moved to the UK in 1996, I have faced racism, but it never gave me a hard time, as my personality and my hard work changed peoples opinion about me and people began to respect me for who I am
Thanks ppl
I call BS on that letter.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
Apr 25th 2015, 5:40 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
I call BS on that letter.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
Apr 25th 2015, 5:45 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
I call BS on that letter.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
Apr 25th 2015, 5:46 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
If you don't have the ability to work in Canada, no one is going to take the time. That is a large headline without basis. Yes, there are racists in Canada. No, this is probably not a racial issue.
Apr 25th 2015, 5:47 pm
#96
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Re: Racist Employers
I call BS on that letter.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
First of all, no government employee would be so stupid as to put that in a letter. Second, the way in which it is worded doesn't make sense - comments about alleged racism and the federal skilled trade class do not belong in the same paragraph.
Until you scan that letter and post the image here I refuse to believe it.
As for you finding a job here - you are not legally entitled to work here which puts you out of the running right off the bat. And if you haven't done the Red Seal process I doubt you are even qualified to work here which is another major knock against you.
Apr 25th 2015, 6:11 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
I have missed out on this one!
My 10c worth, there are racists everywhere, racist employers, employees, individuals. There is discrimination everywhere, ability, disability, age, race, religion.
It is very easy to throw the discrimination card out there when one is having a hard time, but one also needs to be realistic and examine the whole picture. We for example, we hire people of all ages, ethnic backgrounds, disabilities and so on, provided they can do the job. However if someone is not legally entitled to work in Canada and/or is not qualified in Canada to do a job, we won't look at them any further. We will always seek Canadians for employment, nothing racist about it, we will turn away any foreign application no matter where it comes from.
I would suspect racist employers in Canada are the minority and no higher proportion then the UK, US, Aus or Middle East. I bumped into racism against Europeans in my past career, it is everywhere and human nature.
My 10c worth, there are racists everywhere, racist employers, employees, individuals. There is discrimination everywhere, ability, disability, age, race, religion.
It is very easy to throw the discrimination card out there when one is having a hard time, but one also needs to be realistic and examine the whole picture. We for example, we hire people of all ages, ethnic backgrounds, disabilities and so on, provided they can do the job. However if someone is not legally entitled to work in Canada and/or is not qualified in Canada to do a job, we won't look at them any further. We will always seek Canadians for employment, nothing racist about it, we will turn away any foreign application no matter where it comes from.
I would suspect racist employers in Canada are the minority and no higher proportion then the UK, US, Aus or Middle East. I bumped into racism against Europeans in my past career, it is everywhere and human nature.
Apr 25th 2015, 7:13 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
Apr 25th 2015, 9:47 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
Agree that race is not the issue here, but to say asking about discrimination is "ridiculous", I think, is not fair.
Where I am (in Can-Can) race is not the issue.
Jonboy, PP and Aviator make good points above. That seems more realistic and rounded.
Had a bad day? Go for a walk, colchar
Last edited by dishwashing; Apr 25th 2015 at 9:49 pm.
Apr 25th 2015, 10:09 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
Ridiculous for you maybe, are you an ethnic or do you use a foreign name? Like Xiao Wei or Abdalla Mustafa or Amit Kallayil?
Agree that race is not the issue here, but to say asking about discrimination is "ridiculous", I think, is not fair.
Where I am (in Can-Can) race is not the issue.
Jonboy, PP and Aviator make good points above. That seems more realistic and rounded.
Had a bad day? Go for a walk, colchar
Agree that race is not the issue here, but to say asking about discrimination is "ridiculous", I think, is not fair.
Where I am (in Can-Can) race is not the issue.
Jonboy, PP and Aviator make good points above. That seems more realistic and rounded.
Had a bad day? Go for a walk, colchar
Apr 25th 2015, 10:14 pm
#103
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Re: Racist Employers
I am also curious about this sentence in that letter form the "government employee"
How true is this?
Could this be another possible reason for lack of success.
I'm not wishing to be age-ist!
I know that most plumbers that we have used are below the age of 65.
You are not too old to work as a plumber. Retirement age in Canada is 65 and most some people work until they're 70
How true is this?
Could this be another possible reason for lack of success.
I'm not wishing to be age-ist!
I know that most plumbers that we have used are below the age of 65.
Apr 25th 2015, 10:21 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
Assuming that letter was actually written by an employee of the state/territory/Canadian government (I'm not sure how the levels work over there) I wonder where they would stand if the OP and her husband,or any other poster come to that, complained?
I work for the government at state level in Australia and it would be sooooo wrong for one of us to put a personal opinion like that in an official letter written in our capacity as an employee of the government. Its one thing thats amazed me in this thread. Surely in Canada the laws aren't so different that a government employee can use their official role to air their personal opinion - and in writing into the bargain?! We'd be in deep doodoo, and quite probably out of a job.
I work for the government at state level in Australia and it would be sooooo wrong for one of us to put a personal opinion like that in an official letter written in our capacity as an employee of the government. Its one thing thats amazed me in this thread. Surely in Canada the laws aren't so different that a government employee can use their official role to air their personal opinion - and in writing into the bargain?! We'd be in deep doodoo, and quite probably out of a job.
Apr 25th 2015, 10:28 pm
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Re: Racist Employers
Pollyana
same here!
I think that is what has surprised many of us.
same here!
I think that is what has surprised many of us.