Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12879760)
I am honestly frustrated about the 14 day quarantine especially when it doesn't really make any sense for somebody entering the country from another country with way lower infection rates. Also I am frustrated of the lack of consideration to air bridges whilst other countries have successfully implemented them. At the same time I am emotionally unable to comply with 14 days spending in just a hotel room, nor am I able to stay outside of Canada beyond September. Honestly, I'd even risk a jail sentence. Unless the regulation changes I will most certainly have to break this law and or risk getting caught. Thus my questions around this matter.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12879760)
I am honestly frustrated about the 14 day quarantine especially when it doesn't really make any sense for somebody entering the country from another country with way lower infection rates. Also I am frustrated of the lack of consideration to air bridges whilst other countries have successfully implemented them. At the same time I am emotionally unable to comply with 14 days spending in just a hotel room, nor am I able to stay outside of Canada beyond September. Honestly, I'd even risk a jail sentence. Unless the regulation changes I will most certainly have to break this law and or risk getting caught. Thus my questions around this matter.
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 12879996)
What do you mean you're 'emotionally unable' to comply with the quarantine?
A jail sentence would surely put your potential job and PR at risk more than just waiting a while or quarantining as required? Not to mention that if your reason for returning is financial, wouldn't the potential enormous fine outweigh any financial benefit? Exactly! The implications are extensive for non-compliance! Violating any instructions provided to you when you entered Canada is an offence under the Quarantine Act and could lead to up to:
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12880003)
We've discussed this before. You don't have to spend 14 days in a hotel room. Rent holiday accommodation such as an airbnb with outside space. There's no reason for you to break the law.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...th-advice.html This measure is in effect until August 31st and could be extended.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12879793)
I do wonder if Canada could attract enough tourists from elsewhere in the world, to make up for the loss of US tourists...
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12880003)
We've discussed this before. You don't have to spend 14 days in a hotel room. Rent holiday accommodation such as an airbnb with outside space. There's no reason for you to break the law.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...th-advice.html https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ph...canada-eng.pdf |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
(Post 12879946)
They have but it took a very long time. Canada is also still in the TPP whereas America isn't. I still can't envisage Canada relaxing its border restrictions for other countries but leaving the US out of the picture though unfortunately.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12879760)
At the same time I am emotionally unable to comply with 14 days spending in just a hotel room, nor am I able to stay outside of Canada beyond September. Honestly, I'd even risk a jail sentence. Unless the regulation changes I will most certainly have to break this law and or risk getting caught. Thus my questions around this matter.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
(Post 12880677)
Doubtful. About 66% of tourists to Canada are from the US (about 13 million out of about 20 million per year). A lot are probably short trips (maybe even day trips) but that's still a lot to make up - especially if people are deterred from flying because of the pandemic.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 12879996)
What do you mean you're 'emotionally unable' to comply with the quarantine?
A jail sentence would surely put your potential job and PR at risk more than just waiting a while or quarantining as required? Not to mention that if your reason for returning is financial, wouldn't the potential enormous fine outweigh any financial benefit? I am also unclear, why Canada is so stubbornly refusing testing at the border. Iceland does it, and it's not that difficult to implement. The health effects for legalizing Cannabis are probably way worse in Canada, than one test out of thousands being incorrect. But again, that's a very hard discussion to have with anybody these days. |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12880741)
I'd go mad having to spend in a room for a prolonged period of time. Is that so difficult to understand. Sadly sometimes there are laws, where one simply can't realistically comply regardless if there are others who can or managed to do it. PR is not my status anyway, I am citizen. They'd have to catch me in the act first and they would actually have to convict me in a court of law, before a jail sentence is imposed.
I am also unclear, why Canada is so stubbornly refusing testing at the border. Iceland does it, and it's not that difficult to implement. The health effects for legalizing Cannabis are probably way worse in Canada, than one test out of thousands being incorrect. But again, that's a very hard discussion to have with anybody these days. And again, you don't need to spend time in a 'room'. You can hire a huge house with a garden, pool, tennis court etc if you wish. You can certainly afford to do that if you can afford to risk the fine. Risking other people's health, not to mention a jail sentence and large financial penalty, just because you don't like the arrangements is unbelievable tbh. |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 12880747)
Testing would be completely pointless anyway IMO. It would work for those who already have Covid-19, but if you've caught it on the flight over then how is that going to help? You wouldn't test positive, and then would be allowed to just wander around spreading it further. The whole point of quarantine is to avoid that happening and to save other people's lives.
And again, you don't need to spend time in a 'room'. You can hire a huge house with a garden, pool, tennis court etc if you wish. You can certainly afford to do that if you can afford to risk the fine. Risking other people's health, not to mention a jail sentence and large financial penalty, just because you don't like the arrangements is unbelievable tbh. The measures being stipulated by the Canadian authorities might be fine for a family who can just relax, eat delivery food and play board games for a couple of weeks but for a lot of single people or those who suffer from anxiety, it's nothing short of a nightmare. |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12880741)
PR is not my status anyway, I am citizen
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
(Post 12880766)
Have you ever lived in solitary confinement? It isn't even a method recommended for prisoners in the long run and can do very negative things to a sense of mental wellbeing.
The measures being stipulated by the Canadian authorities might be fine for a family who can just relax, eat delivery food and play board games for a couple of weeks but for a lot of single people or those who suffer from anxiety, it's nothing short of a nightmare. We have lots of friends and relatives who live alone and have been locked down at home for months now and haven't seen a single other person other than a grocery delivery driver. It's been utterly crap for them.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
(Post 12880769)
If you're a citizen and you're in any way able to do so, I would honestly just recommend prolonging your return for another couple of months. It will likely be safer and less hassle in the long run.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Looking forward with interest to see how things pan out over the next two weeks for us. We arrived at a ghostly quiet Pearson yesterday afternoon from Frankfurt, where we’d been questioned before flying, our temperatures taken and accepted Covid forms to complete with our contact details. All very efficient and cheerful - in fact the ladies there asked us to ‘tell Canada that we’re checking you properly’.
Arrived at a small cluster of tables at the end of the long fast travelator at Pearson to be handed a different form - big group of people all gathering quickly to complete exactly the same details in a slightly different format on a larger piece of paper. The form we’d all be given in Frankfurt wasn’t acceptable apparently although there was no real checking at the exit where we handed the forms in, only that each person had completed one. We also already had all the same details filled in on an ArriveCAN app on the phone where we only needed a token apparently available at the airport but that didn’t materialize at all. We are now at home where we’ll be, with the support of friends and neighbours, for the next two weeks, so it’ll be interesting to see if any contact is made in that time. We were advised before collecting our luggage on the date we’ll be free of quarantine. Daughter of a friend in Hungary was officially checked everyday of her quarantine recently so it can be strictly enforced as required. |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
(Post 12880677)
Doubtful. About 66% of tourists to Canada are from the US (about 13 million out of about 20 million per year). A lot are probably short trips (maybe even day trips) but that's still a lot to make up - especially if people are deterred from flying because of the pandemic.
It's a tricky situation though and I can understand why easing restrictions for other parts of the world whilst keeping them in place for visitors from the US could be politically sensitive. This is of particular concern if fate decides to shovel yet another load onto the 2020 pile and Trump gets re-elected in November. Right now, the regime in Washington is far from normal or rational and we've already seen Trudeau treading carefully around them. |
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 12880772)
Of course it is, but even more of a nightmare to lose somebody you love from Covid-19, particularly if that was wholly avoidable and only due to somebody ignoring the rules.
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