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Old Aug 3rd 2020, 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Well for one it's essentially saying that everyone from the outside world is potentially diseased isn't it.
Yes. They are potentially
It's all a bit medieval when you think about it.
Not really. Somewhere around 95% of the cases in this province have been tracked to people bringing it in and most of that from outside Canada.

It sounds very sensible.

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Old Aug 3rd 2020, 5:17 pm
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Yes. They are potentially
Don't you think that's a bit of a sad and somewhat xenophobic attitude to take?

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Not really. Somewhere around 95% of the cases in this province have been tracked to people bringing it in and most of that from outside Canada.

It sounds very sensible.
What, the recent cases? From which countries?
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Old Aug 3rd 2020, 9:01 pm
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Don't you think that's a bit of a sad and somewhat xenophobic attitude to take?
As of today - 14 consecutive days without a new case - we have ZERO active cases in the province so, no, I don't.
Remember it's everyone required to do the self isolating. Everyone and anyone arriving in Canada regardless of their nationality.
What, the recent cases? From which countries?
No idea. In true Canadian style - or at least NB style - they like be secretive about things.

Most of the more recent cases for here have been TFWs.
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Most of the more recent cases for here have been TFWs.
OK, so based on the assumption those are agricultural workers, would you advocate banning those people from Canada? Keeping in mind those are the people helping to keep others fed.

And I never said it was racism. I said it was xenophobia. By enacting a blanket quarantine on arrival process, they are essentially saying "well you're unfit to rejoin our society because you've been to the outside world and the outside world is dirty".
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Old Aug 3rd 2020, 9:09 pm
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Don't you think that's a bit of a sad and somewhat xenophobic attitude to take?
What, the recent cases? From which countries?
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OK, so based on the assumption those are agricultural workers, would you advocate banning those people from Canada? Keeping in mind those are the people helping to keep others fed.
And I never said it was racism. I said it was xenophobia. By enacting a blanket quarantine on arrival process, they are essentially saying "well you're unfit to rejoin our society because you've been to the outside world and the outside world is dirty".
Oh dear. You really are exhibiting troll like behaviour of late...... NO, it's not xenophobic in the slightest, you are reading into it that which doesn't exist.. no matter where anyone comes from - even those who are Canadians have to undergo quarantine when they re-enter Canada. Give it a rest.
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Originally Posted by Siouxie View Post
Oh dear. You really are exhibiting troll like behaviour of late...... NO, it's not xenophobic in the slightest, you are reading into it that which doesn't exist.. no matter where anyone comes from - even those who are Canadians have to undergo quarantine when they re-enter Canada
I'm not sure that's true, I think you just disagree with me. Anyway it looks like no side is going to change the other one's mind so I'm happy to leave it.

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I'm not sure that's true, I think you just disagree with me. Anyway it looks like no side is going to change the other one's mind so I'm happy to leave it.
Not just me, the majority disagree with you..

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OK, so based on the assumption those are agricultural workers, would you advocate banning those people from Canada? Keeping in mind those are the people helping to keep others fed.
Why would I do that? Initially the NB government did halt it but the businesses said they couldn't get workers any other way so the government relented.
That most of the recent positive results have been among TFWs shows the isolation is a good idea doesn't it? Imagine the community transmission otherwise.

And I never said it was racism.
Did anyone say you did?
I said it was xenophobia.
Fear of foreigners. Discrimination of people from other countries.
By enacting a blanket quarantine on arrival process,
Well there you go. It applies to all so it's not discriminatory.
The other day there was a debate where someone was suggesting that for certain countries with low infection rates, the rules should be relaxed. I believe you were in agreement. Favourable treatment for those from one country and not a different one; Now that would be discriminatory

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Well there you go. It applies to all so it's not discriminatory.
It's discriminatory because it implies that all other countries are dirty and infected while Canada is some sort of sterile bubble. It's not an attitude that's unique to Canada by any means and in fact some other countries have gone to much worse extremes but that still doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.
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The other day there was a debate where someone was suggesting that for certain countries with low infection rates, the rules should be relaxed. I believe you were in agreement. Favourable treatment for those from one country and not a different one; Now that would be discriminatory
No, that would be common sense. You wouldn't be favouring people based on their ethnicity or nationality. You'd be assessing risk based on where they just arrived from and their recent travel movements. Some Asian countries have been doing that for years.
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It's discriminatory because it implies that all other countries are dirty and infected while Canada is some sort of sterile bubble. It's not an attitude that's unique to Canada by any means and in fact some other countries have gone to much worse extremes but that still doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.
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No, that would be common sense. You wouldn't be favouring people based on their ethnicity or nationality. You'd be assessing risk based on where they just arrived from and their recent travel movements. Some Asian countries have been doing that for years.
So let me get this right. A country or a province in the example I referred to with a big fat zero level of active cases - your sterile bubble example - applying certain conditions to those who want to enter or return is not common sense but discrimination and xenophobic - even though it includes its own citizens - while discriminating in favour of those from one country and against those from a different one is apparently not discriminatory.

You're happily telling one group of people they come from a "dirty country" to use your words.


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Interestingly enough Bristol and I both live in a pretty well Covid free zone our house prices have just shot through the roof because other people want to come and live here too.

I just hope that NB can stay in splendid isolation...I don't want anybody here for the foreseeable future...
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Interestingly enough Bristol and I both live in a pretty well Covid free zone our house prices have just shot through the roof because other people want to come and live here too.

I just hope that NB can stay in splendid isolation...I don't want anybody here for the foreseeable future...
What a delightfully cosmopolitan and welcoming attitude.
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Old Aug 4th 2020, 9:37 am
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So let me get this right. A country or a province in the example I referred to with a big fat zero level of active cases - your sterile bubble example - applying certain conditions to those who want to enter or return is not common sense but discrimination and xenophobic - even though it includes its own citizens - while discriminating in favour of those from one country and against those from a different one is apparently not discriminatory.

You're happily telling one group of people they come from a "dirty country" to use your words.

Well thought out and reasoned protocols based on country/region can be based upon fact. Blanket protocols tend to be based on fear and general xenophobia. I'm not sure how I can be any more clear than that really.

The latter is also far more likely to cause extreme economic problems than the first. The first still allows limited business to continue in industries that rely on travel, hospitality and tourism.
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