Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
#136
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
You can't compare land mass etc when you know that the majority of Canadians live huddled together near the USA border.
i don't see any prejudice expressed, no idea why you are ramblingg on about it.
New case numbers is the only valid measure here. The UK doesn't test assymptomatic people, Ontario does,.albeit voluntarily.
i don't know anyone in Canada who has has COVID, three of my family in England have been ill with it, as have two friends. Two of them tested positive long after their symptoms had gone.
I live two hours from Toronto. Peterborough has had zero new cases in over two weeks, Northumberland county has two. There is no community spread and all local cases can be traced to the GTA. Ontario's new cases are steadily going down.
Why would we want to increase our risk?
i don't see any prejudice expressed, no idea why you are ramblingg on about it.
New case numbers is the only valid measure here. The UK doesn't test assymptomatic people, Ontario does,.albeit voluntarily.
i don't know anyone in Canada who has has COVID, three of my family in England have been ill with it, as have two friends. Two of them tested positive long after their symptoms had gone.
I live two hours from Toronto. Peterborough has had zero new cases in over two weeks, Northumberland county has two. There is no community spread and all local cases can be traced to the GTA. Ontario's new cases are steadily going down.
Why would we want to increase our risk?
family have been extremely unlucky or you're making that up. I'll let you be the judge of which one of those scenarios is accurate.
Let's be honest though, it is absolutely a case of prejudice. Based on the percentages I provided, any passenger flying from the UK to Canada has a 99.5% chance of being all clear. Essentially based on that .5% risk, Canada is either forcing them to go through a mandatory term of isolation, similar to what a dog might be forced to endure if it was imported from a country with rabies, or in most cases Canada is preventing that person from travelling and entering the country at all.
If you start with that then what's next? Should any passengers from Africa be subject to an isolation period on arrival indefinitely due to the risk of Ebola? It's a slippery slope really isn't it.
Also factor in that the chances of a person flying into Canada with Covid from the UK are roughly equal to the chances of that same person contracting it on the street in parts of Canada. That is why the UK has removed quarantine on arrival restrictions from some countries but Canada is still not on the whitelist.
I fear what's happening here is that Canada may be unfortunately showing its true colours. It's a country that says it wants foreign workers, students, and immigrants but then on the flip side it can sometimes be extremely backwards looking and insular. This is illustrated by the requirements for language testing from English and French native immigrants and the additional accreditation hoops for international medical professionals. They've just never been as obvious about their prejudices as they acting now.
Last edited by DigitalGhost; Jul 18th 2020 at 3:05 pm.
#137
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Worldometer makes that adjustment.
Canada - Cases per 1m = 2905. Deaths per 1M = 234
UK corresponding figures are 4319 and 666
Canada - Cases per 1m = 2905. Deaths per 1M = 234
UK corresponding figures are 4319 and 666
#138
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
#139
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Could he a geographical thing based on someone's region of the UK, I don't know.
#140
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Joined: Jul 2012
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
that's a pretty shitty thing to say. You're not worth dealing with.
#141
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
There was no insult intended or accusation being made. Look at it from a purely mathematical perspective if not from any other. Approximately 45,000 people in the UK have had their deaths attributed to covid-19. Every single one of those is a tragedy however that's from a population of 65 million. Statistically alone, the chances of one of those people being in your family or social circle are incredibly remote and the chances of more than one are even less so.
I do apologise if I offended anybody though because that wasn't what I was trying to do.
I do apologise if I offended anybody though because that wasn't what I was trying to do.
#142
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
That aside, I also mentioned cases per 1m of the population. The case rate in the UK is almost 50% more than the rate in Canada. That makes a plane load of Brits more risky than a plane load of Canadians.
#143
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Well, how do you know? Maybe their death was made more likely because of the severity of the strain or dose they picked up and perhaps they were a passenger before it fully developed into what killed them?
That aside, I also mentioned cases per 1m of the population. The case rate in the UK is almost 50% more than the rate in Canada. That makes a plane load of Brits more risky than a plane load of Canadians.
That aside, I also mentioned cases per 1m of the population. The case rate in the UK is almost 50% more than the rate in Canada. That makes a plane load of Brits more risky than a plane load of Canadians.
Do you know, after I read Bats reply to my earlier post, I almost felt bad about the way that post was written. Now I couldn't give a ****.
#144
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
And if there's a 50% higher incidence among a group of people flying from the UK than from Canada, your chances of exposure are 50% greater.
Last edited by BristolUK; Jul 18th 2020 at 3:54 pm.
#145
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Listen...if the rate of Covid-19 is higher in the UK than Canada - and as you well know that's the rate and not the number, in other words it's the prevalence - no skewing of figures involved, then for the period immediately before they become live cases they are live carriers without knowing it.
And if there's a 50% higher incidence among a group of people flying from the UK than from Canada, your chances of exposure are 50% greater.
And if there's a 50% higher incidence among a group of people flying from the UK than from Canada, your chances of exposure are 50% greater.
Or don't admit it and just leave it there, I don't mind either way tbh and I'm certainly not out to shame anyone.
#146
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Yes let's.
And in Canada it's less than 9000 deaths from 38m. Well over half the population of the UK but less than a fifth of the deaths.
Is that mathematical perspective enough?
Approximately 45,000 people in the UK have had their deaths attributed to covid-19. Every single one of those is a tragedy however that's from a population of 65 million.
Is that mathematical perspective enough?
#148
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Yeah, and?
America's deaths are proportionally lower than those of the UK, Italy, Spain and some other countries. Does that mean the US has done a better job at managing the situation than those countries?
Look, I know you dislike the British, you've made that pretty clear at this point but Jesus Christ. You've won anyway. Canada won't let the majority of UK citizens through its borders so what more do you want?
#150
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Look, just admit you don't like the British and/or Europeans and you don't want them in Canada. There's no shame in it, everyone has their little prejudices and nobody's perfect.
Or don't admit it and just leave it there, I don't mind either way tbh and I'm certainly not out to shame anyone.
Or don't admit it and just leave it there, I don't mind either way tbh and I'm certainly not out to shame anyone.
Last edited by Siouxie; Jul 18th 2020 at 4:25 pm.