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Novocastrian Jan 5th 2012 10:35 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by huddm (Post 9823547)
john009

The average UK mortgage is stated a £109K( which to us is a high mortgage) and average income is £26.2K and household income are £33K. Therefore ratio are 4.2 and 3.3 respectively. When I first brought a home in 1989 I was offered 2.5 time my salary and when I returned to the UK from Canada I was offered a max of 3 times my salary. I took out a mortgage at 1.5 times my income.
Most respectable lenders today will not give you more that 3 time salary as a mortgage. In 1989 I had to put down a large deposit which then was a a years earning for us. It was several years before of are hard savings, working as much OT that was available, no holidays or social life and selling our cars to get the deposit. So it seems that over 20 odd years later there no difference for first time buyers.

Hudd

Yet the average house price is ~155000 pounds in 2011...

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...edictions.html

Which suggests that the average down payment is well in excess of the average before tax household income.

Fine if you have equity, but a bit tricky for first time buyers.

Alan2005 Jan 5th 2012 10:42 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9823582)
Do service personnel buy near their bases in Canada? They rarely did in England.

Wouldn't having a bunch of jumped up squadies move into your neighbourhood actually lower property prices?

Almost Canadian Jan 5th 2012 12:00 pm

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9823599)
Wouldn't having a bunch of jumped up squadies move into your neighbourhood actually lower property prices?

I guess so. Some of the personnel at Hereford bought but that was because they were rarely posted elsewhere and, those on base are always the first that are contacted when duties are dished out.

It doesn't pay to have to move every 3 years or so but it may be that Canadian forces personnel don't get posted around as often.

Real garrison towns (Aldershot, Catterick et.) are places that I wouldn't want to live near even if I was in the military.;)

airbornesapper Jan 5th 2012 3:51 pm

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9823582)
Do service personnel buy near their bases in Canada? They rarely did in England.

Principal residence....the answer would be generally yes....

Although as with everything there are exceptions...I work out of Ottawa but my home remains back in NB.

Happy New Year...

airbornesapper Jan 5th 2012 3:54 pm

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9823599)
Wouldn't having a bunch of jumped up squadies move into your neighbourhood actually lower property prices?

Usual bollocks.....and WTF is a jumped up Squaddie?

PS...Eff Off....

Alan2005 Jan 5th 2012 4:29 pm

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9823705)
I guess so. Some of the personnel at Hereford bought but that was because they were rarely posted elsewhere and,....

Isn't that where the SAS are? I found that out last week when I was playing modern warfare 3.

Almost Canadian Jan 6th 2012 12:19 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9823967)
Isn't that where the SAS are? I found that out last week when I was playing modern warfare 3.

They were in the 1990s. There was talk of a relocation to a base that had an airport to avoid all the trips to Brize Norton. A bit silly to call oneself the Special Air Service without easy access to the air!

iaink Jan 6th 2012 1:30 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by CANADIAN CARPERS (Post 9821459)
Hi Helen, I have an appt tomorrow at 3 with Royal Lepage (think that's what they're called) but will also use Remax to avoid conflict of interest problems as I believe 'double enders' are to be avoided. Trying not to :rofl: it was explained to me that it's when the same agent is representing both parties (buyer/seller) I've been advised by my bank not to allow realtors to show me properties on their own books but to get for example Remax to show me listings from all the other brokers in the area and then get Royal Lepage to show me Remax properties. The reason behind this is because as a buyer I would be regarded as the 'money' and the seller as the 'client' and realtors always favour the client.

To be fair any realtor, regardless of which agency they show for, is going to favour getting you in the most expensive house they can, at the highest price they think you will bare. Call me a cynic, but thats the obvious end result of a system where both agents share the selling commission, they want to make as much money as they can.

iaink Jan 6th 2012 1:33 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9823582)
Do service personnel buy near their bases in Canada? They rarely did in England.

Depending on the nature of the posting it seems normal here, at least for those likely to be here a reasonable time.

Generally not in Trenton itself if they can afford to get away from the smell of the papermill.

My neighbours are only selling as she chose to retrain in admin after 15 years in the service, and lost seniority as a result. As low man on the totem when it came to reposting she was the one to go, and they were only recently married so he got posted away with her so they could stay together. You could say they are suffering some sticker shock over the cost of property in BC compared to here.

In the case of JTF2, as a rapid response unit I think the expectation is that they are nearby, but others here probably have more idea on that than me.

Almost Canadian Jan 6th 2012 3:05 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9824736)
In the case of JTF2, as a rapid response unit I think the expectation is that they are nearby, but others here probably have more idea on that than me.

OK. I didn't know if, like Hereford, it was their base or simply somewhere they were posted to.

iaink Jan 6th 2012 3:08 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9824923)
OK. I didn't know if, like Hereford, it was their base or simply somewhere they were posted to.

It will be their base, the idea being that having them near the planes to take them places makes a lot of sense.

However, the government is still in the process of negotiating the last few hundred acres of land, (as it has been for 4 years+), so its not going to happen for a while yet, next year maybe?

agr Jan 6th 2012 3:16 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9823582)
Do service personnel buy near their bases in Canada? They rarely did in England.

In the UK forces, you're guaranteed a service married quarter (or single accommodation) at your place of duty. If none is available, rented accommodation is secured for you on the same occupancy terms and at the same cost. In the Canadian Forces, at least when I did an exchange tour with them in the late 90s, the same privilege was not available and most people bought nearby.

Steve_ Jan 6th 2012 4:25 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by jerry brewer (Post 9821421)
Hi
If i had a dollar for everytime someone says the property market here in vancouver is going to crash I would be very happy.:thumbsup:

It will crash, it's just a question of when (and it's not the far distant future), ditto with the condo market in the GTA. Everywhere else I would say is pretty stable, but interest rate increases have to happen sooner or later, so that will dampen the market nationally. I think when that happens is when the condo market in the GTA and the pricier areas of lower mainland BC will start to go tits up.

I would say coming from the UK, absolutely no, it is definitely not a good time to buy in Canada because of the weakness of sterling and the strength of the Canadian dollar at the moment.

Steve_ Jan 6th 2012 4:29 am

Re: Property bubble
 
The MoD in the UK sold off a lot of their properties because the armed forces got smaller at the end of the Cold War. A lot of them were in a diabolical state. I know this because (a) I had to live in one at one point and (b) I worked for a company that maintained them as well.

Steve_ Jan 6th 2012 4:30 am

Re: Property bubble
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9823967)
Isn't that where the SAS are? I found that out last week when I was playing modern warfare 3.

I could tell you exactly where and all the support units as well, but I think I would be violating the OSA.


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