Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Jul 4th 2012, 3:27 pm
#46
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Really? Can't say I've noticed any difference.
Jul 4th 2012, 3:50 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Will somebody please tell me which car rental company gives different prices depending on country of issue of driving licence? I have rented many cars around the world and never been asked upfront where my licence is from. I've never encountered a car rental web site that asks, nor have I ever seen any discount offered to those who qualified in any particular country. For me, this is myth until proven otherwise.
Jul 4th 2012, 3:54 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Will somebody please tell me which car rental company gives different prices depending on country of issue of driving licence? I have rented many cars around the world and never been asked upfront where my licence is from. I've never encountered a car rental web site that asks, nor have I ever seen any discount offered to those who qualified in any particular country. For me, this is myth until proven otherwise.
Jul 4th 2012, 3:58 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
with respect to the car hire thing - I can be insured on my Mum's car on my UK license for a fortnight for about 40 pounds (they would not insure my wife at all with a canadian license) Show me any car hire company where I can get a car for a fortnight for that sort of money.
Not everyone will have access to someone else's car but for those that do, it can save a fair few quid.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:03 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
agreed about the manual one - as mentioned - they ask for proof but how many people do you know that kept their number? I know of a couple (including my brother) who didn't and he had a right ball ache trying to sort it out (have you tried contacting the DVLA lately?)
with respect to the car hire thing - I can be insured on my Mum's car on my UK license for a fortnight for about 40 pounds (they would not insure my wife at all with a canadian license) Show me any car hire company where I can get a car for a fortnight for that sort of money.
Not everyone will have access to someone else's car but for those that do, it can save a fair few quid.
with respect to the car hire thing - I can be insured on my Mum's car on my UK license for a fortnight for about 40 pounds (they would not insure my wife at all with a canadian license) Show me any car hire company where I can get a car for a fortnight for that sort of money.
Not everyone will have access to someone else's car but for those that do, it can save a fair few quid.
I think UK insurance companies may differ in their licensing requirements. My wife drove her father's car on a Canadian licence while visiting - his insurer just required drivers to be legally entitled to drive, which holders of foreign licenses are, for a limited time, as visitors.
Last edited by agr; Jul 4th 2012 at 4:05 pm. Reason: Afterthought: maybe it's just named drivers that have to be UK licensed.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:09 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
It's also illegal to hold more than one licence under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act:
Displaying licence that has been suspended, altered, etc.
35. (1) No person shall,
(a) display or cause or permit to be displayed or have in his or her possession a fictitious, imitation, altered or fraudulently obtained driver’s licence;
(b) display or cause or permit to be displayed or have in his or her possession a cancelled or suspended driver’s licence or a driver’s licence that has been changed in respect of its class, other than a licence card that has been marked by the Ministry as valid only to show the driver’s photograph;
(c) lend his or her driver’s licence or any portion thereof or permit the use of it by another person;
(d) display or represent as his or her own a driver’s licence not issued to him or her;
(e) apply for, secure or retain in his or her possession more than one driver’s licence;
(e.1) secure or retain in his or her possession a driver’s licence if he or she holds a photo card issued under the Photo Card Act, 2008; or
(f) fail to surrender to the Ministry upon its demand a driver’s licence that has been suspended, cancelled or changed in respect of its class. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (1); 1996, c. 20, s. 4; 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 3 (1); 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (1-5).
Idem
(2) In subsection (1),
“licence” includes any portion thereof. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (2).
Seizing licence
(3) Any police officer who has reason to believe that any person has in his or her possession a driver’s licence referred to in subsection (1) may take possession of the licence and, where the officer does so, shall forward it to the Registrar upon disposition of the case. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (3); 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (6).
Second driver’s licence permitted
(4) Despite clause (1) (e), a person may hold a second driver’s licence if the second licence is,
(a) issued solely to permit the licensee to obtain experience in the driving of a motorcycle for the purpose of qualifying for a driver’s licence that authorizes him or her to drive a motorcycle; or
(b) required by any other province or territory of Canada or any state of the United States of America and has been issued in compliance with the law of that province, territory or state. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (4).
Application for driver’s licence by photo card holder
(4.0.1) A person who holds a basic photo card or enhanced photo card issued under the Photo Card Act, 2008 may apply for a driver’s licence if he or she surrenders the photo card at the time of the application. 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (7).
Offence
(4.1) Every person who contravenes clause (1) (a) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $400 and not more than $50,000. 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 3 (2).
Definition
(5) For the purposes of this section,
“driver’s licence” includes a licence issued by any other province or territory of Canada or by any state of the United States of America. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (5).
35. (1) No person shall,
(a) display or cause or permit to be displayed or have in his or her possession a fictitious, imitation, altered or fraudulently obtained driver’s licence;
(b) display or cause or permit to be displayed or have in his or her possession a cancelled or suspended driver’s licence or a driver’s licence that has been changed in respect of its class, other than a licence card that has been marked by the Ministry as valid only to show the driver’s photograph;
(c) lend his or her driver’s licence or any portion thereof or permit the use of it by another person;
(d) display or represent as his or her own a driver’s licence not issued to him or her;
(e) apply for, secure or retain in his or her possession more than one driver’s licence;
(e.1) secure or retain in his or her possession a driver’s licence if he or she holds a photo card issued under the Photo Card Act, 2008; or
(f) fail to surrender to the Ministry upon its demand a driver’s licence that has been suspended, cancelled or changed in respect of its class. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (1); 1996, c. 20, s. 4; 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 3 (1); 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (1-5).
Idem
(2) In subsection (1),
“licence” includes any portion thereof. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (2).
Seizing licence
(3) Any police officer who has reason to believe that any person has in his or her possession a driver’s licence referred to in subsection (1) may take possession of the licence and, where the officer does so, shall forward it to the Registrar upon disposition of the case. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (3); 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (6).
Second driver’s licence permitted
(4) Despite clause (1) (e), a person may hold a second driver’s licence if the second licence is,
(a) issued solely to permit the licensee to obtain experience in the driving of a motorcycle for the purpose of qualifying for a driver’s licence that authorizes him or her to drive a motorcycle; or
(b) required by any other province or territory of Canada or any state of the United States of America and has been issued in compliance with the law of that province, territory or state. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (4).
Application for driver’s licence by photo card holder
(4.0.1) A person who holds a basic photo card or enhanced photo card issued under the Photo Card Act, 2008 may apply for a driver’s licence if he or she surrenders the photo card at the time of the application. 2008, c. 17, s. 35 (7).
Offence
(4.1) Every person who contravenes clause (1) (a) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $400 and not more than $50,000. 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 3 (2).
Definition
(5) For the purposes of this section,
“driver’s licence” includes a licence issued by any other province or territory of Canada or by any state of the United States of America. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 35 (5).
As there is a reciprocal arrangement with GB, they clearly are recognized as driver's licenses though, so a court might interpret holding a GB and Ontario licence together as being illegal. Not quite as clear as Alberta law.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:14 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
I did some asking around a couple of my other half's family in the legal game and they were pretty sure it was referring to more than one registered Ontario license - with respect to points and suspensions etc.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:16 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Seeing as there are so many people posting in this thread from BC, I looked that one up too, from the Motor Vehicle Act 1996, section 25:
There are no exemptions that I can see, unlike in Ontario law. It's illegal, period.
(4) If the applicant for a driver's licence has at any time before making the application held a driver's licence issued under this Act or in another jurisdiction, the applicant must, at the time that he or she is issued a driver's licence under this Act, surrender the last driver's licence or duplicate of it held by him or her, unless the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia on cause shown to the corporation's satisfaction dispenses with its production.
(5) At the same time that he or she has a driver's licence issued under this Act, a person must not have a driver's licence issued by another jurisdiction or have another driver's licence previously issued under this Act.
(5) At the same time that he or she has a driver's licence issued under this Act, a person must not have a driver's licence issued by another jurisdiction or have another driver's licence previously issued under this Act.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:18 pm
#54
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
“driver’s licence” includes a licence issued by any other province or territory of Canada or by any state of the United States of America.
Last edited by Steve_; Jul 4th 2012 at 4:20 pm.
Jul 4th 2012, 4:54 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Well, your expert legal opinion differed from that of ICBC. Until a couple of years ago ICBC would hand back foreign driving licenses after passing the test. That they would do this was explicitly stated in their literature; it wasn't just the counter staff not knowing the law.
Jul 4th 2012, 5:11 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
It's a pretty clearly written statute. I can read. I can't find any literature on their website that says otherwise.
And besides the OP said:
Which is what section 25(4) says they must do.
And besides the OP said:
ICBC demanded I hand over my old GB licence which I still have.
Last edited by Steve_; Jul 4th 2012 at 5:19 pm.
Jul 4th 2012, 5:36 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Prior to this agreement they handed them back (but after 1996 when the law you quote was written) - something which was standard practice and can be attested to by anyone who moved to BC before the swap agreement came into effect. Not sure why you think I'm lying about this.
Jul 4th 2012, 5:52 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
I never said you were lying or even implied it, what happened in the past isn't at issue, the OP was asking why they did it now and that statute I quoted appears to be the reason. What they used to do doesn't really matter.
Jul 13th 2012, 5:20 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Hi
Just an update,
Apparently the canadian authorities tell DVLA that a licence has been issued and it is on the computer file at DVLA.
So technically, if you still have a UK one, it could be invalid if used in the UK ?
First one to have a UK accident/ticket can update the thread ?
cheers
Jerry
Just an update,
Apparently the canadian authorities tell DVLA that a licence has been issued and it is on the computer file at DVLA.
So technically, if you still have a UK one, it could be invalid if used in the UK ?
First one to have a UK accident/ticket can update the thread ?
cheers
Jerry
Jul 13th 2012, 6:40 pm
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Re: Physically giveup GB licence for BC drivers licence???
Ok so went into ICBC today to do my 5 year renewal (which I consider a scam, just to stiff me of $75, anyway...).
ICBC demanded I hand over my old GB licence which I still have. they never took it off me when I did my test 8 years ago. However they are telling me that since the receiprical B.C/UK licence swap came into effect 2 years ago, I have to hand over my GB licence now before I will get a my renewed BC licence.
Spoke to 3 other brits who have renewed recently and they did not have to give up their GB licence.
Anyone else renewed in the last 2 years come across this?
Chris
ICBC demanded I hand over my old GB licence which I still have. they never took it off me when I did my test 8 years ago. However they are telling me that since the receiprical B.C/UK licence swap came into effect 2 years ago, I have to hand over my GB licence now before I will get a my renewed BC licence.
Spoke to 3 other brits who have renewed recently and they did not have to give up their GB licence.
Anyone else renewed in the last 2 years come across this?
Chris
I asked them here where my license for UK goes on handing it to them and they told me they send it back to the U.K.
No problem, so I updated my address with DVLA and informed them my license was coming back to them via the driving body in Toronto, and
DVLA sent me a replacement with my 2nd address (parents address in U.K) so I got my UK license back again anyway
I want my UK license so I can use it in the U.K, and my Canadian one so I can use it here, no problemo.