Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution room
My husband has a Defined Benefit Pension in the UK and has a contractual pension age of 60. We had planned to only start drawing the pension from age 65 when he retires. However, he has been informed by the UK scheme that as a deferred member he has to take his pension from 60 and can not postpone drawing it until 65. As a higher rate tax payer this will increase our Canadian tax bill. We do not want to transfer the whole pension pot to another pension scheme as we can’t find comparable annuity rates.
We would like to take the pension commencement lump sum (25% of total pension pot) and invest that into another pension/savings scheme and defer tax liability until the proceeds are actually drawn in retirement at 65. Then we would just have to pay tax on the regular monthly pension payments. Is it possible to pay this money into an RRSP without using our RRSP room (i.e. as an indirect transfer)? The following tax interpretations would indicate that it is possible to do so: http://members.videotax.com/technica...l-pension-rrsp http://taxinterpretations.com/cra/se...2011-0409121e5 http://members.videotax.com/technica...-swiss-pension http://taxinterpretations.com/cra/se...2012-0439641e5 http://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agen...red-plans.html The following conditions have to be satisfied for an individual to deduct an amount under subparagraph 60(j)(i) of the Act in computing their income for a taxation year: • The foreign plan must constitute a superannuation or pension plan for purposes of the Act. The determination of whether a plan is a superannuation or pension plan is a question of fact. Generally, a plan will be considered to be a superannuation or pension plan where contributions have been made to the plan by or on behalf of an employer or former employer of an employee in consideration for services rendered by the employee and the contributions are used to provide an annuity or other periodic payment on or after the employee's retirement. We believe our pension from the Universities Superannuation Scheme meets the definition of a Superannuation pension, that the pension commencement lump sum is not a series of periodic payments and so provided we pay the lump sum into an RRSP within the same tax year we can defer our tax liability.• The pension benefit must not be part of a series of periodic payments. Only lump-sum payments are eligible for the deduction. A lump-sum payment that represents a settlement of future entitlements under the pension plan, such as a full or partial commutation of pension benefits, would be eligible for the deduction. However, where a lump-sum payment does not represent a settlement of future entitlements under the pension plan, such as a payment of periodic pension payments in arrears or a payment of a retroactive adjustment on the periodic pension payments, that lump-sum payment will be considered part of the series of periodic payments and therefore will not be eligible for the deduction. • The pension benefit must be attributable to services rendered by the individual (or the individual's spouse or common-law partner) to an employer in a period throughout which the individual was not resident in Canada. • The pension benefit must be included in the individual's income for the year and not exempt from tax in Canada because of an income tax treaty. In this regard, the Act provides for pension benefits to be included in the recipient's income in the year received and the Canada-UK Income Tax Convention does not limit Canada's right to tax pension payments received from a UK pension plan by a Canadian resident. The individual must make the RRSP contribution in the year the pension benefit is received or within 60 days after the end of that year. There is no requirement that the RRSP contribution be made by way of a direct transfer from the foreign pension plan. In addition, the individual must designate the RRSP contribution as a transfer in their personal income tax return for the year. The amount of the deduction is limited to the lesser of the amount designated and the amount of the benefit included in income. The deduction is over and above an individual's regular RRSP deduction limit.” - Can anyone confirm that our understanding is correct? - Have there been any changes to the tax laws that would no longer permit this? - Would the RRSP have to be in my husband’s name to qualify? - Are there any other options to achieve the same tax deferral? |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
There are no QROPS Qualified Retirement Overseas Pension Schemes currently available in Canada to transfer pensions from the UK to Canada. I will be transferring my UK SIPP (Defined Contribution) into an income drawdown account with Hargreaves Lansdown before I move to Canada permanently so that I can access 25% tax free lump sum.
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Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by glendem4
(Post 12446873)
so that I can access 25% tax free lump sum.
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Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
What you want to do may not now be possible. This is the place for chatting over ideas, not a substitute for professional advice, some circumstances professional advice is advisable. I would suggest meeting with an accountant locally to look into your situation.
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Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by Aviator
(Post 12446915)
Which is likley to be taxed in Canada.
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Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
We are already in Canada and not looking to transfer the pension, but looking to invest the pension commencement lump sum when we have to start drawing the pension. We will talk to a local accountant.
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Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by glendem4
(Post 12447168)
Not if you take your tax free lump sum BEFORE you move to Canada
In some circumstances for folks that have started the move, been here, set some things up and then moved back to the UK. They may be considered tax resident, even if they currently do not reside in Canada and it may be taxable in Canada. Taking funds out of a pension from overseas, even if it is reinvested, is likley to be considered income and therefore taxable in Canada. |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Didn't think defined benefit schemes received lump sums, the 25% cash option was generally from defined contribution schemes ( Personal Pension Plans ). Have things changed now ?
Edit: Allegedly some allow it, who knew. |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Our defined benefit plan does allow it.
I have checked with a tax consultant and it seems it is possible to pay the lump sum into an RRSP, provided that all the conditions in my original post are met. This means that although the lump sum is treated as income, the RRSP payment is offset against it. |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by Prof
(Post 12452352)
Our defined benefit plan does allow it.
I have checked with a tax consultant and it seems it is possible to pay the lump sum into an RRSP, provided that all the conditions in my original post are met. This means that although the lump sum is treated as income, the RRSP payment is offset against it. |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by Prof
(Post 12452352)
Our defined benefit plan does allow it.
I have checked with a tax consultant and it seems it is possible to pay the lump sum into an RRSP, provided that all the conditions in my original post are met. This means that although the lump sum is treated as income, the RRSP payment is offset against it. |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Originally Posted by MMMaple
(Post 12539616)
Yes, we also checked with a international tax consultant and they said the same as above.
Do check with a Canadian tax accountant before setting anything in motion and preferably ask them for the specific legislation and reference from Revenue Canada ( and get it in writing)! :) |
Re: Pay Pension Commencement Lump sum into RRSP -defer tax & additional contribution
Yes, thank you, I will do that. And thank you for the suggestion for a written reference - will ask for that too.
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