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Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 1:27 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by willmore
I also know a guy who works for a certain computer store (which will remain unnamed) and works on the side repairing MACs'. Apparently, he is very good - needs the extra money to help feed and clothe his family.

That's pretty crappy, a guy with MAC skills should be doing a lot better than that - people with MAC skills are like rocking horse sh*t.


Originally Posted by willmore
Wasn't it you that equated an Escort service to prostitution??

Dunno mate, never used either. My understanding from the UK was that the difference came down to price & venue. Is there a difference in Canada that you want to relate to the rest of us??


Originally Posted by willmore
but I also think you have to earn a certain amount of money and be 18 before it needs to be reported.

That's a common misconception - earnings before 18 years count towards you RSP, you'd be nuts not to report them.

willmore Aug 19th 2004 1:42 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Glaswegian
That's pretty crappy, a guy with MAC skills should be doing a lot better than that - people with MAC skills are like rocking horse sh*t.

Yes, you're right, but competition is fierce in Victoria and not alot of MAC users - did you know that we only constitute 6% of users in North America.

Dunno mate, never used either. My understanding from the UK was that the difference came down to price & venue. Is there a difference in Canada that you want to relate to the rest of us??

I was referring to your new thread about prostitution and equating them to a escort service (ok. bad joke).


That's a common misconception - earnings before 18 years count towards you RSP, you'd be nuts not to report them.

Are you sure??? because lots and lots of people under 18 are newspaper carriers and don't report their income to the govt

Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 1:49 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by willmore
Are you sure??? because lots and lots of people under 18 are newspaper carriers and don't report their income to the govt

They're probably way under the tax limit anyway and they're missing out on future potential RRSP contribution space - it's up to them to report it.

oceanMDX Aug 19th 2004 1:51 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by willmore
Are you sure??? because lots and lots of people under 18 are newspaper carriers and don't report their income to the govt

You're both partly wrong, you have to report any taxable income regardless of your age. Income doesn't help an RSP, only the money that you contribute into does.

willmore Aug 19th 2004 1:52 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 
Well, I actually learned something tonite - thank you - I didn't realize that - not it will affect me in any way - but thanks for the info.

I guess the reason it isn't reported is because after the income tax is taken off - not much would be left of the pay cheque.


Originally Posted by Glaswegian
They're probably way under the tax limit anyway and they're missing out on future potential RRSP contribution space - it's up to them to report it.


Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 1:57 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by willmore
Well, I actually learned something tonite - thank you - I didn't realize that - not it will affect me in any way - but thanks for the info.

I guess the reason it isn't reported is because after the income tax is taken off - not much would be left of the pay cheque.

Not always true - our local flier carrier is paid gross on a self employed basis - her mom told me so. Its up to them to declare the income and pay the taxes.

Also it doesnt matter how much is left of your pay cheque after deductions - if tax is still due then it should be reported and paid over!

Mrs G

Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 2:00 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by oceanMDX
You're both partly wrong, you have to report any taxable income regardless of your age. Income doesn't help an RSP, only the money that you contribute into does.

Get real - you are picking on the fact that Mr G missed out one R from RRSP. Of course income is relevant to an RRSP and an RSP. It gives you the contribution room in the first place and enables you to make the payment!

Mrs G

willmore Aug 19th 2004 2:01 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Glaswegian
Not always true - our local flier carrier is paid gross on a self employed basis - her mom told me so. Its up to them to declare the income and pay the taxes.

Also it doesnt matter how much is left of your pay cheque after deductions - if tax is still due then it should be reported and paid over!

Mrs G

Not if you're being paid "under the table" like newspaper carriers and some delivery people (and many others I'm sure)are paid. I know for a fact that this money is not reported either by the person or the company.

oceanMDX Aug 19th 2004 2:07 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Glaswegian
Get real - you are picking on the fact that Mr G missed out one R from RRSP. Of course income is relevant to an RRSP and an RSP. It gives you the contribution room in the first place and enables you to make the payment!

Mrs G

I am real, and I wasn't making any fine distinction between an RSP and an RRSP. Reported income only legally permits you to make a contribution, but if your income is not adequate to provide spare money to contribute into the plan, then that doesn't help you one bit - that's just a simple reality.

Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 2:15 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by willmore
Not if you're being paid "under the table" like newspaper carriers and some delivery people (and many others I'm sure)are paid. I know for a fact that this money is not reported either by the person or the company.

If its not reported by the individual then you have a right to inform the Revenue. How do you know the company is not reporting it! It is unlikely that a company will survive long if it is not taking all deductions due to it - especially ones where it is clear need to be paid! I can see an investigation headed to those companies. Its not the company's duty to report on the tax due by self employed individuals. They will take a deduction for the expense and if required by the Revenue will provide details of the amount paid over and the individual. The company cannot be expected to know the fine details of a self employed individuals tax affairs.

Mrs G

Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 2:16 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Glaswegian
they're missing out on future potential RRSP contribution space - it's up to them to report it.

I didn't say that it magically put money into their (R)RSP - I said it gives them future space to contribute. You have to earn the income to put it in there. I hope my kids won't be earning the same during their career as they are when they're under 18 years old. Having the extra space to contribute is useful later.

And yes, not earning enough to contribute to an RSP is a simple reality for a lot of people and it sucks.

oceanMDX Aug 19th 2004 2:19 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 
I rather doubt it that the newspapers wouldn't deduct the labor cost as an expense. They would be foolish not to.

Glaswegian Aug 19th 2004 2:24 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 
Depends on what they're deducting - payments to an independent 'contractor' are different from payments to an employee.

Paying a contractor comes with a whole lot less baggage in terms of employment rights and associated costs.

willmore Aug 19th 2004 2:25 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 
We aren't tallking about "labour costs" - the newspaper carriers aren't unionized and I can guarantee that the money isn't reported.This is happening all across Canada. Now they may have made some type of arrangement with Revenue Canada about not having to report money made by kids - but let's just leave it at that...except to so.....that many many people are doing business "under the table" believe me - it's a major problem in Canada that Revenue Canada is trying to resolve.

Anyway, in case you think that I'm in any way involved in that type of thing....no I'm not ......I'm a partner in a consulting firm and we pay our fair dues every year to Revenue Canada with tears in our eyes believe me.

Originally Posted by oceanMDX
I rather doubt it that the newspapers wouldn't deduct the labor cost as an expense. They would be foolish not to.


oceanMDX Aug 19th 2004 2:26 am

Re: Part-time employment in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Glaswegian
I didn't say that it magically put money into their (R)RSP - I said it gives them future space to contribute. You have to earn the income to put it in there. I hope my kids won't be earning the same during their career as they are when they're under 18 years old. Having the extra space to contribute is useful later.

And yes, not earning enough to contribute to an RSP is a simple reality for a lot of people and it sucks.

Please clarify one thing for me since it's been a few years since I have contributed to an RRSP. It used to be that you could not accumulate potential RRSP contributions from one year to the following. For example, if you didn't contribute the maximum permitted one year, you couldn't add the difference to the maximum that you would be otherwise able to contribute to the next. Now has that changed?


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