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lmartin999 Mar 1st 2010 9:12 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 8385263)
How relevant is that comparison once you're actually earning CAD$ though? Surely the cost of living is more relevant, and I don't see that there's a great deal of difference there.

True, it is quite fun to compare though. Obviously, doing the same conversion with the mortgage quickly eliminates any real sense of euphoria. Just need to go to the UK more to spend it :)

Howefamily Mar 1st 2010 9:17 am

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Exchange rates are affected by a countries inflation, its called Purchasing Power parity. If a country has a relatively high inflation rate then we should see the value of its currency decline.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the future between these two exchange rates

johnh009 Mar 1st 2010 9:51 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by Paul Wildy (Post 8385251)
I'm afraid I dont know the answer to your question but I did do some research into the historical exchange rates once and I believe the lowest was 1.45 in 1985. So I think it would probably be wrong to assume it couldnt go lower. If its done it before it can do it again.

If you've got funds to move over then the exchange rate being as low as it is is a big concern - no question. But I also think you have to balance that with the relative strength of the Canadian economy versus the UK economy (which is largely why the exchange rate is as it is anyway). Salaries in Canada are now (at the current exchange rate) comparatively high versus the UK. Also job prospects are good and the economy is growing very quickly - over 5% in Q4 last year. In contrast the UK government's efforts to "stimulate" the economy have left it saddled with enormous debt that it will take a decade to recover from. This is going to make it harder and harder to provide basic public services such as healthcare and policing that people rely on for a decent quality of life. So if you take a long-term view I think there is no question that you will be better off in Canada.

The UK has the second highest salaries in the World:

http://www.fairsalaries.com/salary-r...t-type=country

Go to any source and you will find this to be the case. Exchange rates are irrelevant if you are earning pounds and spending pounds.

If you go back to the early 1990s, Canada's debt was also spiralling out of control but these things can be turned around with prudent fiscal policies.

As for job prospects, it depends on what field you are in. Come and look at manufacturing in Ontario. Maybe as an immigration consultant, this would be bad for business?

canadian_critic Mar 1st 2010 11:48 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 8385001)
Long may it stay low. I'm loving visiting the UK and being able to afford things. Converting my salary also makes me feel rather good. Actually, having just done it online, change that to very good :)

One way of feeling you're getting a pay rise I suppose

allie2 Mar 1st 2010 11:55 am

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I just got the maturity value of my endowment policy. Over 10 years, it is worth 240GBP more than I paid into it - and the exchange rate kills it even further. Aargh! I was expecting more, even in today's economy but I guess I should be happy that I am at least getting my money back!

Paul Wildy Mar 1st 2010 12:03 pm

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by johnh009 (Post 8385391)
The UK has the second highest salaries in the World:

http://www.fairsalaries.com/salary-r...t-type=country

Go to any source and you will find this to be the case. Exchange rates are irrelevant if you are earning pounds and spending pounds.

If you go back to the early 1990s, Canada's debt was also spiralling out of control but these things can be turned around with prudent fiscal policies.

As for job prospects, it depends on what field you are in. Come and look at manufacturing in Ontario. Maybe as an immigration consultant, this would be bad for business?

Thanks for that. You're not the first person to imply that just because I practice in the immigration field that I'm inclined to mercilessly try to trick everyone into moving to Canada just for my own gain but I can promise you that isnt the case - the demand is higher now than it has been for years regardless of what I say. Surely you realise that this forum is made up of people that have already made the move, are waiting for visas, or have largely made their minds up to move to Canada anyway? There's really nothing to be gained by trying to "sell" Canada on here; I'm just expressing my own opinion based on personal experience as much as anything else.

The "fairsalaries" table makes for very interesting reading but it doesn't say where the data was collected from or when. Plus its obviously complete and utter rubbish because, according to this table, the average salary in the UK is USD$136,836. Which at today's exchange rate equals GBP91,419! So that's what you're trying to tell me the average UK salary is? Even though the Office of National Statistics data for December 2009 puts the average total earnings (including bonuses) in the UK at just over GBP23k (see: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0210.pdf)? Even a salary of GBP45k in the UK puts you in the top 10% of earners and over GBP90k probably in the top 2% of earners!

Alan2005 Mar 1st 2010 3:37 pm

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by Paul Wildy (Post 8385251)
I'm afraid I dont know the answer to your question but I did do some research into the historical exchange rates once and I believe the lowest was 1.45 in 1985. So I think it would probably be wrong to assume it couldnt go lower. If its done it before it can do it again.

If you've got funds to move over then the exchange rate being as low as it is is a big concern - no question. But I also think you have to balance that with the relative strength of the Canadian economy versus the UK economy (which is largely why the exchange rate is as it is anyway). Salaries in Canada are now (at the current exchange rate) comparatively high versus the UK. Also job prospects are good and the economy is growing very quickly - over 5% in Q4 last year. In contrast the UK government's efforts to "stimulate" the economy have left it saddled with enormous debt that it will take a decade to recover from. This is going to make it harder and harder to provide basic public services such as healthcare and policing that people rely on for a decent quality of life. So if you take a long-term view I think there is no question that you will be better off in Canada.

Two years ago I would have agreed with you. Now I disagree. Your argument about the stimulus applies equally (if not more) to the US. Canada (and asia for a few more years) needs the US consumer and the US consumer is maxed out.

I have two issues with GDP measures:
- Inflation is under-reported in the G7. GDP figures will look good when this happens.
- Whilst stimulus measures are in place, GDP figures are contain an element of the extra debt the government is accumulating. This is work we have to do in the future, not work we have done now - in effect we are adding a bit of tomorrows GDP to todays.

dboy Mar 1st 2010 11:17 pm

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by johnh009 (Post 8385391)
The UK has the second highest salaries in the World:

http://www.fairsalaries.com/salary-r...t-type=country

Go to any source and you will find this to be the case. Exchange rates are irrelevant if you are earning pounds and spending pounds.

If you go back to the early 1990s, Canada's debt was also spiralling out of control but these things can be turned around with prudent fiscal policies.

As for job prospects, it depends on what field you are in. Come and look at manufacturing in Ontario. Maybe as an immigration consultant, this would be bad for business?

what a bunch of crap. 136,000 USD - bollocks. try more like 30,000 quid.

el_richo Mar 2nd 2010 12:05 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by johnh009 (Post 8385391)
The UK has the second highest salaries in the World:

http://www.fairsalaries.com/salary-r...t-type=country

Go to any source and you will find this to be the case. Exchange rates are irrelevant if you are earning pounds and spending pounds.

If you go back to the early 1990s, Canada's debt was also spiralling out of control but these things can be turned around with prudent fiscal policies.

As for job prospects, it depends on what field you are in. Come and look at manufacturing in Ontario. Maybe as an immigration consultant, this would be bad for business?

UK avge salary is £90,000? :rofl:

Atlantic Xpat Mar 2nd 2010 12:09 am

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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8386855)
UK avge salary is £90,000? :rofl:

That's it. I'm moving back.;)

Paul Wildy Mar 2nd 2010 12:51 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8386855)
UK avge salary is £90,000? :rofl:

And less than GBP900 per year in Italy according to that chart - makes you wonder how they afford all those designer clothes doesn't it? :rofl:

Cyan Mar 2nd 2010 2:26 am

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1.56 CAD is astonishingly low. When I moved in 2000 it was around 2.10 CAD to the Pound. Back then, most people regarded Canadian dollars as little more than monopoly money....how times have changed.

Alan2005 Mar 2nd 2010 2:28 am

Re: OMG!!!! How crap is the pound!!!
 

Originally Posted by Cyan (Post 8387143)
1.56 CAD is astonishingly low. When I moved in 2000 it was around 2.10 CAD to the Pound. Back then, most people regarded Canadian dollars as little more than monopoly money....how times have changed.

It's just paper - it is all little more than monopoly money.

BadgerNaboo Mar 2nd 2010 3:35 am

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We are due in Vancouver at the end of March and I was hopefully waiting for the situation to get a little better before exchanging our money..

Not sure we will be that lucky although it is possible that after the Olympics the rate may get a little better.

R I C H Mar 2nd 2010 3:45 am

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Originally Posted by BadgerNaboo (Post 8387333)
it is possible that after the Olympics the rate may get a little better.

Why?


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