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montreal mike Feb 10th 2007 2:40 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4381230)
I've never come across that and I've been around Quebeckers for over a decade.

Exactly.

Hostile NO.

Indifferent YES.

Dorothy Feb 10th 2007 8:25 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter (Post 4380023)
I wonder how many Brits move abroad each year after watching the hundreds of 'change your life and leave evil, grey, hoodie filled Britain' shows? A lot I suspect are going to thier nominated country sight unseen (outside of glossy literature) too.

Take a look in the Australia forum at the thread titled "Wanted Down Under". There are tons of posters enthralled with the notion of moving over here based on what they are seeing on a television program.

Deer Hunter Feb 10th 2007 8:34 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 4389202)
Take a look in the Australia forum at the thread titled "Wanted Down Under". There are tons of posters enthralled with the notion of moving over here based on what they are seeing on a television program.

I know! Crazy, eh? I am constantly amazed by some comments on this forum.

charlie1 Feb 10th 2007 8:53 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by chrisi65 (Post 4379164)
While we were in Toronto last year a women in one of the shops asked me where i was from and when i said England she replied " Arrrrr London, i love London... Do you know the spice girls???
I nearly fell off my pirch, how stupid are they, and why when you say your from England do they always think its just London? lol

Whilst at a popular tourist destination in Cape Breton, one of the tour guides of the attraction asked us where we were from, we said originally England, to which she asked what language we spoke in England "err.... English" was our response, to which she seemed shocked & replied "i was sure that the English spoke French"! We left dumbfounded.

daft batty Feb 11th 2007 12:53 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by windward (Post 4388620)
They weren't really Quebecois - only Montreal-resident, for between 5 and 7 years - but the only conversation I had with young Canadians about the Royals was embarassing. They saw the whole idea as rather quaint and outdated; the sign of a backwards nation rather than something to feel good about.

Various questions re: their recent improprieties/dramas and the 'cost' to the nation were asked. I did point out that it works out at about 20p per citizen, but left out the fact I'm actually quite proud we still have Liz and her gang around and changed the subject on the rare occasions it came up afterwards.

i agree with those Montrealites(??) and find it rather awkward when ontarians assume that as an englishwoman i must be a royalist. The whole concept of someone being better than be because of their 'birthright' is anathema to me.

I have been surprised by the number of people here who are keen on the royals, and by how often they are talked about

windward Feb 11th 2007 2:51 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 4388683)
Bear in mind what became of the monarchy in France and how that institution was literally severed. Methinks their ancestors felt the same way.

We did a good job of it ourselves back in the day don't forget. My Restoration knowledge is a bit hazy but maybe there's something buried in the English psyche that just likes to see someone wandering around with an ermine cloak and a crown on.

montreal mike Feb 11th 2007 3:12 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by windward (Post 4390016)
We did a good job of it ourselves back in the day don't forget. My Restoration knowledge is a bit hazy but maybe there's something buried in the English psyche that just likes to see someone wandering around with an ermine cloak and a crown on.

I wasn't taking sides here but simply wanted to connect current Quebecois thinking to that of their French ancestors. I can't say the connection made is scientifically accurate or valid though.

oceanMDX Feb 11th 2007 11:52 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4381230)
I've never come across that and I've been around Quebeckers for over a decade.

I would be surprised if the issue ever came up in Quebec because the Queen pretty much avoids visiting Quebec....that's because the last time (long time ago) I can recall the Queen visiting Quebec, the people lined the streets and turned their backs on her! I would call that hostile behavior. :ohmy:

Royal tours were popular with Quebecers until the emergence of the Quebec sovereignty movement in the 1960s. During a visit by Queen Elizabeth II to Quebec City in 1964, protesters turned their back to the Monarch as her car drove through the streets, and during a public appearance of the Queen, a riot began where police were called in to suppress the protesters; the day became known as Samedi de la matraque (see below). Since that time, royal visits to the province have continued, though the Queen's forays into Quebec have been limited mostly to Gatineau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch...Royal_presence

http://www.marxists.org/history/cana...of-england.htm


http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-69-70-...ety/new_queen/

I recall a visit in the 1970s where they also turned their backs on the Queen to protest her presence in Quebec.

BTW... my experience with Canada (and the way the Royal Family has been received in different parts of it) doesn't go back a little over a decade .... it goes back 52 years.

oceanMDX Feb 11th 2007 12:13 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 4388684)
Exactly.

Hostile NO.

Indifferent YES.

Let's see the Queen visit Montreal, Quebec City or nearly any other city in the province of Quebec and you will see more open hostility toward her than you would ever have believed. Stage a parade in her honor and that will tell who is right.... I double dare the Canadian government to do so.... but that will never happen because they know what would occur.

The reason you wrongly think there is little or no hostility toward the Queen in Quebec is because the Canadian government keeps her pretty much out of the sight of Quebeckers so they don't think about her. If that ever were to change ..... then you would see what I am telling you - it would be a provocation in the minds of most Quebeckers.

montreal mike Feb 11th 2007 12:21 pm

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 
Yes I recall those days but I have another approach.

The people that booed her and were openly hostile were in all probability militant separatists or idealists who did their very best to embarrass the Feds. Let us not forget that the Queen is our head of state, a symbolic post, but head of state nonetheless. And a foreign one.

I predict that if QC were ever to became independent OR if Canada ever severed its connection to the monarchy, then if the Queen or Charles or any other member of the Royals were to drop by, then it would simply be just another foreign dignitary visiting.

That is why I still take the view that most Quebecois are largely indifferent to the Queen. They consider the monarchy irrelevant to Canada. Some even consider the Feds as irrelevant. But they have no ax to grind other than to complain that part of their federal taxes go pay for the Governor General and all the other provincial lieutenant governors, all of which could probably be done away with.

julius smith Feb 12th 2007 1:30 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 
yep, hilarious, innit?
when i was there, i was always getting 2 or 3 of my colleagues standing around me whenever i opened my mouth to say something, as if i was an alien or something! some folks were nice, saying like "...just keep talking....i love your accent..." etc, whereas others would say, "what-you left england to come here? hey, folks, this guy's come to canada for better weather, heh, heh...", which would sometimes p.ss me off! then there was a woman shopkeeper who asked me "do they use dollars in england, too?......"!! that really creased me up!
mostly people would mention about the long holidays etc we have here and wonder why we would need to leave all that!:)


Originally Posted by jempee (Post 4379127)
when i was here on holiday in 2005 myself and friend went trail riding. While waiting the owner of the horses said, 'so how about your charles getting married then, how do you feel about that.' Took me a moment to think i have no kids called charles.........duh then the penny dropped. emmmmmmm not a lot really. She then preceeded to go on about how she admired the royals etc etc......................


jempee Feb 12th 2007 2:12 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by julius smith (Post 4393239)
yep, hilarious, innit?
when i was there, i was always getting 2 or 3 of my colleagues standing around me whenever i opened my mouth to say something, as if i was an alien or something! some folks were nice, saying like "...just keep talking....i love your accent..." etc, whereas others would say, "what-you left england to come here? hey, folks, this guy's come to canada for better weather, heh, heh...", which would sometimes p.ss me off! then there was a woman shopkeeper who asked me "do they use dollars in england, too?......"!! that really creased me up!
mostly people would mention about the long holidays etc we have here and wonder why we would need to leave all that!:)

Funnily enough we went out for a meal with friends on friday night. Next to us was a table with 3 young children and 3 adults. When they were leaving the apologised to us for being sat next to them.(2 youngest cried a few times). told them no problem it was fine. THen the little girl (maybe 7/8) came over with her mum who asked us if we were from London! told her Kent. The little girl then said ' can i just tell you that you 2 (poiinting to myself and friend) have such beautiful accents', it made your heart melt it was so sincere.

Madmac Feb 12th 2007 2:33 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 4389278)
Whilst at a popular tourist destination in Cape Breton, one of the tour guides of the attraction asked us where we were from, we said originally England, to which she asked what language we spoke in England "err.... English" was our response, to which she seemed shocked & replied "i was sure that the English spoke French"! We left dumbfounded.

A Jamaican girl I work with asked the very same question i.e., "What language do you speak in Scotland?" and remember that I've been working and conversing with her for a month - Before I could reply 'English' she said "Oh yeah, it's Dutch isn't it?" :D

I patiently explained that they speak Dutch in Holland. She then went on to compound the laughter factor by asking what country "..they speak German in?" It was all taken in a humourous manner by both parties and brightened up an otherwise bland morning.

iaink Feb 12th 2007 2:35 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by Madmac (Post 4393434)
A Jamaican girl I work with asked the very same question i.e., "What language do you speak in Scotland?" and remember that I've been working and conversing with her for a month - Before I could reply 'English' she said "Oh yeah, it's Dutch isn't it?" :D

Well, its like English, but....


Anyway, I suppose the Gaelic speakers would have something to say on that subject.

Madmac Feb 12th 2007 2:49 am

Re: Old fashioned attitudes
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 4393439)
Well, its like English, but....


Anyway, I suppose the Gaelic speakers would have something to say on that subject.

Yes but we'd never be able to understand it. :rofl:


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