robash

hi there. i have a long term plan with the end goal being a registered nurse in canada. we are considering barrie, ontario. i would be interested in your thoughts on my plan and at what point in time should be applying for what visa i have a husband who has a good job now ( call centre supervisor) but is worthless as a trade or to gain extra points on skilled worker route. i have a daughter who is nearly 3 now and i have to bare in mind whether she will be eligable for schooling depending on our method of entry. in sept im doing a uni access course and in 2009 starting nursing degree. so i will be a qualified nurse 2012. then i plan to get 2years minimum work in the uk ( 2 years experience is what most canadian medical employers seem to look for.) so at what point do i apply to immigration. do you actually have to have the 2 years(for example) under your belt before you apply in order to say you have 2 years experience on the applicatin knowing full well that it may take 5 years for immigration to process your skilled worker visa .

my original 'safe' idea was to enter canada via the skilled worker route which i am aware could mean it could be around 10years by the time i have trained and visa has been permitted. my husband would be able to look for part time work and my daughter would be eligable to go into school. and after becoming registered with the province and sitting the nursing exam i would also find work. plus no risk of being chucked out of the country because a certain visa has expired ! this seems to be the most straight forward and 'potentially' hassle free. i have looked into the temp working visa etc but am getting totally confused about whether my husband can work, my daughter can go to school, how easy it is to secure a job in canada whilst living in the uk etc. money isnt that much of an issue (we should be able to buy a house outright) and have decent savings left over) but being sensible my husband needs to be in a possition to work more or less straight away so we dont eat into our savings.

few, its so confusing. any thoughts.x

Silverdragon102

Did answer on allnurses.com but would recommend you ensure your training covers all areas as Canada training is general not specialised like the UK.

fozzy33

Hi Robash,

I am a nurse currently in the process of of applying for a TWP then hoping to apply for PR. We plan to go to Alberta this website is helpful to adhere to guidelines.http://www.nurses.ab.ca/Carna/

Hope this helps a bit

Paradisefound

NS needs nurses and I believe they are paid well here. If you trained here you would find support for PR so you stay around. Just today Capital Health have chosen to have a large long term contract with an agency to use their staff.
The problem with the skilled worker route is that even though it takes years it does not mean that your application will be looked at. The WP route if you know you could get through the LMO is going to be much quicker. There is also the NSNP skilled worker stream that does not need an LMO because you are supported by the community you want to settle in. There is also the CI stream that again involves being supported by the community. This is the route we gained PR on and have been here 3 yrs.

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Hi
I'm sort of in the same position, i start uni next month doing adult nursing and hope to relocate after graduating. Its all so confusing. My OH is a HGV Driver with 12 years experience so i know we could get somewhere with that, but not sure if i could start working straight away??? Just deciding which visa to apply for is complicated in itself. Any advice ?????

Silverdragon102

Try and arrange to get both practical and theory in all areas, mental health, paeds, midwifery will be ok with adult. Some universities don't like to amend their program if plan is to go broad but try. Once you are nearing the end of your training will be the time to look at visas as things may change in 3 years.

robash

i appologise if this seem like a silly question but is it best to keep quiet about the fact that you are planning to emmigrate. at the end of the day the nhs funds you through uni plus you get a bursary aswell, then you are going to just naff off to another country so they get little or no benefit. if that makes sense!

lauder99

Hi Robash

An important thing to bear in mind is that the skilled worker application requires you to meet all the criteria at the time of application which by your timescale would be around 2014. If the process stays the same for that length of time then the quickest way to get here would be TWP followed by PNP or CIS depending on province.

The immigration process is currently up for review and will no doubt be so again in the coming years. Keep yourself up to date on any changes but concentrate on your studies for now. the advice on the contents of your training is good advice, we were almost tripped up by a lack of paeds training in OHs course.

Take care and good luck

Tom

robash

hey there thanks for your reply. im seriously thinking that TWP is the way to go. like i mentioned in my above post, is it acceptable to be open about your desire to move abroad with the university. the way i understand it is that they are training nurses for the UK and that is why the NHS are funding your course. even though it is what i am blatantly doing, im not sure what their reaction would be to in simple terms' using the free uk nurse training as a way of making me eligable to emigrate and so that i can practice abroad!'

obviously i will definatly not mention it in my uni nursing degree interview! i very much doubt i would be offered a place if i say i plan to move to canada ASAP after graduating! thanks.

Silverdragon102

Agree not a good idea to state planning on immigration as soon as I qualify however we are seeing more and more newly qualified nurses struggling to find work. One thing you could say is that you want to gain experience in all areas as you are not sure completely which one you would like to work in although adult would be the better option

lauder99

hi

I would agree that you shouldnt let the uni know your single focus is moving to canada but as silverdragon says a desire to get a wide range of experience is a good thing.

Once you are accepted for the course the uni wont care. Given the current state of nurse employment in the UK I would be very surprised if you were the only student aiming for a career elsewhere. My OH had students on her course who did their electives in other countries quite openly intending to work there and the Uni did all they could to help.

Make all the required noises to get on the course and then focus yourself toward making sure your course covers as many of the Canadian problem areas as possible.

HTH

Tom

robash

Fair comment. i am going to apply to do Adult nursing. its interesting what you say about the uni helping students who intend to work abroad. i guess once you have your foot in the door and are on the course, they cant exactly chuck you off because you are planning to move to canada. i have looked into studying over in canada but it makes no financial sense as the uni fees in canada are through the roof. someone even mentioned it may be worth checking that there are no rules stating you must stay in this country for a certain amount of time after graduating - or you may have to pay the NHS the money back for your fees. but i havnt come across any such rule.

Silverdragon102

I have never seen any rules that say you must stay in the UK. Not sure how they can enforce it anyway when many are struggling to find work

lauder99

Hi

there are no rules about giving the NHS any of your time after qualifying, the NHS doesnt fund your training directly, the government does, the same way they do all the other courses. The NHS has a vested interest in assisting with your training as the principle destination of most graduates but you have no obligations.

I understand there are universities down south, Bristol I think is one, that are starting to offer top up and transfer courses for nurses who cant get work here and now want to go abroad so I dont think in principle you have any issues with your plan.

My OH gave up a decent full time job to go and do her nurse training and it was hard, we also had 2 pregnancies in the 3 years (long story dont ask) we struggled but we managed and it has opened up this chance for us. We have been here 3 weeks and absolutely know its the best thing we have ever done.


Best of luck

Tom

robash

thank you so much for your advice and im really pleased that things are working out well for you and the family. like i say, i have a 2 1/2 year old who i gave up work to take care of. it is going to be really tough whilst training but you dont get anywhere in life my sitting on your butt!

alberta was our first choice but were put off by the apparent high cost of living and high house prices. how do you guys find it. of course by the time we get there it may be completely different. sorry to bombard you with questions. thanks