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Old Aug 25th 2015, 1:26 am
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I wouldn't advise anyone to move away from friends and family if their spouse was going to be away for long periods.
You need to visit the reserve to see what its like, to see if you would fit in. There are a couple near here I would happily live on and I've seen some that are just awful.

If your husband is a Status Indian and living in a reserve then he woild be eligible for various Federal and Provincial tax exemptions but some bands impose their own taxes. He might be thinking that the children will be better off as Status Indiana get support for tuition fees and travel so he needs to be sure that they are eligible to be Status Indians. It's very complicated, being native is no guarantee of getting status.
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Default Re: not sure about the move from England to Canada

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I wouldn't advise anyone to move away from friends and family if their spouse was going to be away for long periods.
You need to visit the reserve to see what its like, to see if you would fit in. There are a couple near here I would happily live on and I've seen some that are just awful.

If your husband is a Status Indian and living in a reserve then he woild be eligible for various Federal and Provincial tax exemptions but some bands impose their own taxes. He might be thinking that the children will be better off as Status Indiana get support for tuition fees and travel so he needs to be sure that they are eligible to be Status Indians. It's very complicated, being native is no guarantee of getting status.
So true. I've got Native American tribe status in the US with the tribe I am related to, but would never be able to get status in Canada.
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Old Aug 25th 2015, 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by jaynie35uk
My husband wants to live on a reserve near sudbury..hes a native american and has family there...hes just been there with our 3 children for nearly a month and thinks it would be a better life for the kids, im not convinced so wanted others views on what they think of canada in general...(i know its not a reservation that most will be living on).. saying that he could leave his car open with loose change in it with no problem and it is a nice reserve..My worry is the lack of variety, from what i see, its lakes and pine trees(northern ontario) where we live in england we are near the coast, close to the dales and not too far from the lake district, have castles and everything to hand...and my fear(maybe unfounded) is boredom and nowhere to go for a day trip etc..with everything being so far apart..BUT i really dont know as ive only been briefly and that was just travelling to a couple of places with 1 yr old twins in tow so didnt really get a feel for the place, but have been left with an opinion of this area that isnt very good....thankyou for everyones opinions so far, and i welcome more ..whats it like where you are all living as anywhere in canada might be a compromise rather me refusing to go..lol xx
Huge red flags there!
Originally Posted by jaynie35uk
I have 5 children, 2 from a previous marriage who are 19 and 23 (who dont want to move to canada)and 3 with my canadian husband who are twins of 11 and a 9 yr old..
I personally would love to move back to Canada but my 19 and 21 year old children are here in Australia, so this is where I stay. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think I could live on the other side of the world from them. (Yes, I know they might decide one day to up and move away, but that's them leaving me, not me leaving them).
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
These 2 posts pretty much sum up my feelings. You asked for opinions and I have to be honest and say this sounds like a really bad idea.
It's not very often that I agree with Oink, but in this instance he's spot on. There is no way in the world I would move to a reserve outside Sudbury. And even less likely I would move my young children there.
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Thanks for all your comments, its just reinstated what i already felt...I personally want to head down south to Devon or Cornwall...lol
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Originally Posted by colchar
Ice storms don't happen regularly. We have socialized medicine so there are few healthcare costs and supplemental insurance (ie. for prescription drugs, dental work, etc.) are usually provided through one's employer and do not have high co-pays.
Once again your Canadianness is oozing through the seams.

Compared to the UK, which was the basis of the OP's question and Bristol's response, ice storms happen with alarming frequency. Even once a decade is much, much more frequent than the likely occurrence of ice storms in the UK.

Canada doesn't have socialized medicine in the same way that the UK does. Single-payer insurance is not the same as direct-funded healthcare. The concept of a co-pay is completely alien to a UK resident, where "prescription charges" for dispensing chemists are about as close as it gets. Fees for ambulances, medical supplies, paramedical rehabilitation services (physiotherapy, for example) can add up very quickly here, even with supplementary insurance. These are definitely issues to consider for a British person looking for comparisons between the UK and Canada.
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Default Re: not sure about the move from England to Canada

note to self: must read whole thread before replying. Several others made the same comments.

To the OP, though, I'd agree with almost everything others have said. There are a whole heap of reasons to be wary of moving to a reserve outside Sudbury. Not least of which is that, despite some limited progress in the last few years, there is still a huge, and fundamentally dangerous, amount of prejudice against First Nations in Canada, both in the general population and at all levels of government. Google "missing and murdered aboriginal women" for some horror stories and the Federal government's unconscionable refusal to hold a proper public enquiry.

There is no way on earth that "a better life for the kids" would be served by moving from the UK to an environment of disrespect, hostility, fear and prejudice. Which is really sad, especially since it's difficult to reconcile that viewpoint with the potentially positive values of exposing the kids to their cultural heritage. It so strongly smacks of "white privilege" to suggest that you'd be better off far away from a First Nations community, when that is part of the cultural background of your children, but I would think long and hard about the relative merits and demerits of such a move.

Originally Posted by Oakvillian
Once again your Canadianness is oozing through the seams.

Compared to the UK, which was the basis of the OP's question and Bristol's response, ice storms happen with alarming frequency. Even once a decade is much, much more frequent than the likely occurrence of ice storms in the UK.

Canada doesn't have socialized medicine in the same way that the UK does. Single-payer insurance is not the same as direct-funded healthcare. The concept of a co-pay is completely alien to a UK resident, where "prescription charges" for dispensing chemists are about as close as it gets. Fees for ambulances, medical supplies, paramedical rehabilitation services (physiotherapy, for example) can add up very quickly here, even with supplementary insurance. These are definitely issues to consider for a British person looking for comparisons between the UK and Canada.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
You know a lot of people even working full-time at low wages don't get insurance through work, and even if a professional may not get any benefits since casual employment is very popular in some sectors, healthcare workers being one such sector where casual employment is the norm for many professionals.
I wish I had health benefits.

Costs me $80 plus tax for a 6 monthly clean and check up at the local not-for-profit dentist.

Every two years they take X-rays which is another $60 plus tax..

Thankfully I've not required anything to be done recently.

Then there is my lower back. I wish I could go and see a chiropractor but I can't afford the weekly cost at the moment.

Hoping for a job with benefits soon but not holding my breath with the Canadian economy sinking into recession.

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Old Aug 25th 2015, 3:15 pm
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You need a full time job to get healthcare benefits don't forget.

When I mentioned them being offered through the employer I meant for full-time employees. I should have been more clear.



For broken bones you'll get a basic plaster cast if you want a fibre glass cast, or a walking boot, or crutches, then you pay out of pocket.

I didn't have coverage two years ago (working for a startup very early in the process so no benefits) and I wasn't charged for crutches in the emergency room nor did I pay a penny for any of the large boxes of supplies (from a specialist pharmacy that delivered to the home) or the nursing care that I had at home daily for about nine months for a version of that flesh eating disease thingy that very nearly cost me my foot, and possibly my life.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
I suppose it depends on one's definition of regularly. Every winter (to varying degrees) seems fairly regular.

We last had one here in the Toronto area in Decmber 2013. I cannot remember the last one before that so no, they are not a regular occurrence.


Unless you're ill or disabled in some way.

While there are things that have to be paid for, the majority of what one needs is covered through the provincial program or can be covered through supplemental benefits (either provided by the employer or purchased privately).


Tell that to my daughter whose employer keeps staff hours down so they don't qualify for the employer's scheme.
Then your daughter isn't working full time. I was referring to full time employees but should have been more clear about that.



You can tell that to me too if you like and it will comfort me when I spend $180 on monthly supplies for testing blood sugars and injecting insulin.
Then you need a better healthcare plan through your employer. If your employer won't offer one you need to find a better job that does. My Mum is diabetic and doesn't pay a penny for her diabetic supplies because my Dad's healthcare plan through his former employer (he is a retiree) covers everything.


They'd be free in the UK as would my prescriptions rather than my co-pays of $51 a month this year, $102 next.
Who provides your benefits? Never in my life have I had to pay a monthly co-pay here in Ontario.



I guess that makes it a con rather than a pro.

Not for those with decent benefits, which you do not seem to have.
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Originally Posted by Oink
The terrible weather, the boring people, the lack of culture and just the sheer backwardness of the place should make you worry. Nobody likes being the outsider so I can understand the desire to want to go back to be with his own kind, but Canada is one of those places that brings to mind the phrase "only a mother could love that." If he's really homesick can't he just get the NHL package on TV and eat rubbish food in the UK?

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Originally Posted by jaynie35uk
My husband wants to live on a reserve near sudbury..hes a native american and has family there...hes just been there with our 3 children for nearly a month and thinks it would be a better life for the kids, im not convinced so wanted others views on what they think of canada in general...(i know its not a reservation that most will be living on).. saying that he could leave his car open with loose change in it with no problem and it is a nice reserve..My worry is the lack of variety, from what i see, its lakes and pine trees(northern ontario) where we live in england we are near the coast, close to the dales and not too far from the lake district, have castles and everything to hand...and my fear(maybe unfounded) is boredom and nowhere to go for a day trip etc..with everything being so far apart..BUT i really dont know as ive only been briefly and that was just travelling to a couple of places with 1 yr old twins in tow so didnt really get a feel for the place, but have been left with an opinion of this area that isnt very good....thankyou for everyones opinions so far, and i welcome more ..whats it like where you are all living as anywhere in canada might be a compromise rather me refusing to go..lol xx

If he is Canadian he is not Native American, he is Canadian First Nations (I have several native friends who are very particular about that distinction).

It would help if you could provide the name of the rez. Some are nice while others are horrible. And knowing the name would enable us to check the location so as to determine how far you would have to travel to get into a town or city (well what passes for a city up north). If there is some economic activity on the reservation you might be able to find a job but, if not, it will be all but impossible for you to find employment up there once the time came (I suppose you could travel into Sudbury every day but it would not be a fun drive in the winter).

Also, you need to be aware of how harsh the winters can be up there. I have lived in Ontario most of my life and I wouldn't want to spend a winter in Sudbury or North Bay (the closest urban areas of any size), much less further out on a reservation.
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian
Once again your Canadianness is oozing through the seams.

Compared to the UK, which was the basis of the OP's question and Bristol's response, ice storms happen with alarming frequency. Even once a decade is much, much more frequent than the likely occurrence of ice storms in the UK.

Once a decade is not frequent, it is an anomaly.




The concept of a co-pay is completely alien to a UK resident, where "prescription charges" for dispensing chemists are about as close as it gets.

Never have I had to pay a co-pay here in Ontario.
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If he is Canadian he is not Native American, he is Canadian First Nations (I have several native friends who are very particular about that distinction).
I expect he knows what he wants to be called. I imagine his wife does too.

FWIW, the aboriginal people I know, admittedly all of the same family, call themselves "injuns". They don't care for the cultural hegemony implied by trying to define them as Canadian vs. American when they view themselves as being outside such western definitions.
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Never have I had to pay a co-pay here in Ontario.
Lucky you. I believe I'm on a plan as good as one can find when working in the commercial sector and yet it involves co-pays. I'd be surprised if truck driving came with a better plan.
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Originally Posted by colchar
While there are things that have to be paid for, the majority of what one needs is covered through the provincial program or can be covered through supplemental benefits (either provided by the employer or purchased privately).
As carer for my wife there was no employer so no employee benefits nor private insurance due to pre-existing conditions.. Can be covered is not the same as will be covered. Much depends on where one lives.

Purchased privately? But that's the point isn't it? Just as private insurance isn't necessary for prescriptions and the other stuff in the UK.

I spent around $15000 on prescriptions for her in three years before the province finally stepped in. By that time we were "lucky" and the province then paid the full cost of a new treatment, but in other provinces it would have cost us up to $1500 a month.

Transport costs for hospital appointments would have been covered in the UK. That would have saved us around $100 a month.

I paid $3500 at the dentist (two courses of treatment) that would have been subject to the UK max at the time of about £160.

Not for those with decent benefits, which you do not seem to have.
Ah, well that's okay then.

You really do have little idea of the difference between health costs covered or of minimal cost in the UK compared to Canada.

Do you realise you are comparing best case scenarios of the lucky few in Canada with the norm for everyone in the UK?
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