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Old Feb 9th 2021, 10:37 am
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Morning all,

I have recently found this forum as my family and I are planning to apply for PR in Canada in the next 12 months, the principle applicant will be my husband due to his role.

I wanted to find out the climate for UK teachers in Canada. I am aware that getting into the profession is very difficult, but I would be completing my PhD for the next couple of years so I wouldn't be looking for full time work. My plan was to apply for the license and make myself available for supply teaching.

However, I did want to know if the NPQSL is recognised in Canada for administration roles. If not, what are the equivalent courses/qualifications completed for administration? We would either be moving to Ontario or Alberta.

Many thanks in advance.

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Hi, welcome to BE.

Originally Posted by Mrs.Mac View Post
I have recently found this forum as my family and I are planning to apply for PR in Canada in the next 12 months, the principle applicant will be my husband due to his role.
Just checking, but he scores more than you on the CRS? It's just that his occupation won't have a bearing on his eligibility for PR, but his score will, if you score higher then you should be the principal applicant regardless of his job. So just go with whoever of you is scoring the highest (above approx 470 ideally).

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I wanted to find out the climate for UK teachers in Canada. I am aware that getting into the profession is very difficult, but I would be completing my PhD for the next couple of years so I wouldn't be looking for full time work. My plan was to apply for the license and make myself available for supply teaching.
From my understanding, you'd need to be prepared to be supply teaching for more than a couple of years, but perhaps having a PhD may make a difference? Other teachers will no doubt chime in and advise on that, there is a Wiki article with some info in though - https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Teaching_in_Canada

Can't help with the question about NPQSL, but Canada rarely recognises professional or vocational UK qualifications, so my guess would be it won't be recognised! But again others may be able to advise.

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is the term "supply teaching" used in Canada ? I have a feeling that in the US other expressions are used. 50 years ago my first job as a teacher in Scotland was in supply. A tough apprenticeship.
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Hi, welcome to BE.
Just checking, but he scores more than you on the CRS? It's just that his occupation won't have a bearing on his eligibility for PR, but his score will, if you score higher then you should be the principal applicant regardless of his job. So just go with whoever of you is scoring the highest (above approx 470 ideally).
Thank you for your response… I haven't even checked my scores, I thought it was based off the role. Sorry, just to clarify it doesn't matter which person is the principle (it's whoever scores the highest)? So, do we will both have a profile on express entry? Or is that just the principle?

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From my understanding, you'd need to be prepared to be supply teaching for more than a couple of years, but perhaps having a PhD may make a difference? Other teachers will no doubt chime in and advise on that, there is a Wiki article with some info in though
Thank you, I will go and have a read of this.


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Thank you for your response… I haven't even checked my scores, I thought it was based off the role. Sorry, just to clarify it doesn't matter which person is the principle (it's whoever scores the highest)? So, do we will both have a profile on express entry? Or is that just the principle?
Only one of you needs a profile, the other will then go as a dependent spouse on the PR application. The job isn't relevant though, as long as it's 'skilled' (literally thousands of jobs, and from what you've said on your other thread, you'd both come under that). The key thing is making sure whoever scores the highest is the person that has the profile, as only those scoring the highest are selected and invited to apply for PR - as above, you'll need around 470 or higher to be in with a good chance. So do check your scores, and if you score higher, then you should be the principal applicant.

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is the term "supply teaching" used in Canada ? I have a feeling that in the US other expressions are used. 50 years ago my first job as a teacher in Scotland was in supply. A tough apprenticeship.
Substitute teacher maybe?

Teaching apprenticeship are still going strong in the UK, but under new names of schools direct or teach first.
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Substitute teacher maybe?

Teaching apprenticeship are still going strong in the UK, but under new names of schools direct or teach first.
https://www.theworkingcentre.org/fin...-education/413

It will depend on which Province you are in.. for Ontario... 'Occasional Teacher' is often used...
An Occasional Teacher is a teacher who can supply, or fill in for a sick or absent teacher
LTO is a Long-Term Occasional where you will cover all duties (including planning and reporting) for the regular teacher who is on maternity leave, long-term illness or leave of absence.
FTE means full-time equivalent. Often the FTE number is listed as a decimal number. For example, if you see a posting that says ¡§FTE 0.4, this position will be 4/10th of a full time position. These contracts can be combined (e.g. 0.2 FTE and 0.4 FTE).
You may want to read this: https://etfovoice.ca/feature/precari...ional-teaching

For more than a decade, being an occasional teacher in Ontario has meant being part of the province’s precarious workforce. An oversupply of teachers and a failure to increase teaching positions to address the need for smaller classes has meant that new teachers seeking full-time work have had to wait about seven years, on average, to secure a contract position.
There is no job security ...

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Substitute teacher maybe?

Teaching apprenticeship are still going strong in the UK, but under new names of schools direct or teach first.
Substitute teacher in this part of the world.

I'm not aware that Vice Principals or Principals require any particular qualification or certification but that would vary by province. Masters degrees are common in teaching - My wife has one & she got a pay bump after achieving it so teachers are incentivized to do so. Phd's would be less common IMO.

As ever, breaking into teaching is extremely difficult for the expatriate. There is a surplus of Canadian born/trained teachers chasing jobs. Be prepared for a long road to get to permanent position.
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You may want to read this: There is no job security ...
Thanks for this article, I will be pushing for Alberta on reading around Ontario teaching climate, being a long term "occasional teacher" isn't for me. An extra bonus of Alberta is we can get more for our money eventually when we buy.



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Substitute teacher in this part of the world.

I'm not aware that Vice Principals or Principals require any particular qualification or certification but that would vary by province. Masters degrees are common in teaching - My wife has one & she got a pay bump after achieving it so teachers are incentivized to do so. Phd's would be less common IMO.

As ever, breaking into teaching is extremely difficult for the expatriate. There is a surplus of Canadian born/trained teachers chasing jobs. Be prepared for a long road to get to permanent position.
Thank you for your reply, I've started to look into Alberta. It would seem I may be able to teach in college, my subject specialisms lean towards older students. I teach Economics and Business over here.

Another question (as your wife is a teacher), would I need to get my qualifications evaluated for immigration purposes and then another one for getting a license? Or is the same one detailed enough to be used for both?
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It's Teacher On Call (TOC) in BC .......... and you can be on call for many years if you happen to be in the wrong place or others are "known" to members of the school board. I've known people on TOC for 16/17 years.

It's also not a secure job, unless your face really fits ................ years on the TOC list, finally get a 1 or 2 year contract, but then there are funding cuts or not enough kids, and it's last on first off, regardless of subject.

My s-i-l is a teacher in an Atlantic Province and his face had to fit with the union before he could even get time off to get his PhD in preparation for applying for a Vice-Principal's job.

Then he had an interview with his school board, his face didn't fit with them, but then he'd already decided that spending all his time in administration and dealing with wrong do-ers and not much time in the class room was not what he wanted, so he's stayed as Head of Department.
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Thank you for your reply, I've started to look into Alberta. It would seem I may be able to teach in college, my subject specialisms lean towards older students. I teach Economics and Business over here.

Another question (as your wife is a teacher), would I need to get my qualifications evaluated for immigration purposes and then another one for getting a license? Or is the same one detailed enough to be used for both?
Two completely different things - one is Education Credential Assessment for Immigration, which must be completed by one of the Designated Organisations .. the other is the Provincial governing body for teaching - 2 separate processes..
Alberta.. https://www.alberta.ca/teacher-certification.aspx

As part of your Interim Professional Certification (IPC) application, Alberta Education will assess your credentials. It is important to note that Alberta Education is the only body that can assess credentials for teaching authority in Alberta.

International applicants

All applicants for certification must meet the above criteria and academic credentials will be assessed on a course-by-course basis. If your program is not acceptable to the Minister of Education, you may need to take additional courses to qualify for an IPC.
For the other Provinces, see the 'requirements' tab for links to the governing bodies > https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ments/15904/ca
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I'm a little at a loss... I have spoken to both licensing boards (Ontario and Alberta) and either their licensing process requires me to be in Canada OR I would need to work in a rural/small town to be able to find any work after getting a license. After crunching the numbers, things would be very tight on one salary unless we sold our home and cashed in all UK investments. With the stamp duty returning at the end of March, I don't know what the UK housing market will be like in a couple of months.

Not trying to split the family until I secure some work and also not trying to lower our standard of living... Unfortunately, Canada just may be out of reach for our family.

Thank you for your help, you've been really supportive.



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I'm a little at a loss... I have spoken to both licensing boards (Ontario and Alberta) and either their licensing process requires me to be in Canada OR I would need to work in a rural/small town to be able to find any work after getting a license. After crunching the numbers, things would be very tight on one salary unless we sold our home and cashed in all UK investments. With the stamp duty returning at the end of March, I don't know what the UK housing market will be like in a couple of months.

Not trying to split the family until I secure some work and also not trying to lower our standard of living... Unfortunately, Canada just may be out of reach for our family.

Thank you for your help, you've been really supportive.
Every Province has their own licensing board for teachers.. some are 'easier' to achieve licensing from than others but most if not all will require you to have Permanent Resident status for Canada (or be a Citizen or have a valid work permit). https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Teaching_in_Canada

Teaching is a precarious profession in Canada, with a surfeit of teachers, unfortunately. It could take you years before you obtained a permanent position. If you teach a subject that is in demand, you may have less of a wait. Most immigrants find themselves living on one salary or having to take a drop in salary unless they are headhunted. Better to discover that it may not be for you before you start the long expensive process of immigrating https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Immig...imeline-Canada, than mid way through it..

Best of luck to you.. what ever you end up deciding

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