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Bus service to and from Kanata is OK. We live in north Kanata, where most of the high-tech stuff is, but I get the bus downtown every day. Taxi takes about 40 mins to the airport and is around $60 plus.
Also there are direct flights from Ottawa to London on Air Canada, which we are happy about.
Can't help much with the French language as I don't speak it, but my wife knows euro-French quite well and she has quite a few problems understanding Quebec-French, so I guess it's somewhat different.
Otherwise you're about 4 hours drive / bus / train from Toronto and 2 hours from Montreal. Hope that helps.

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I've been surprised to discover that Ontarian French is the one I have the biggest problem with. Two week vacation to Montreal, Quebec City & Sherbrooke, all done in French, I had problems understanding one single elderly person the entire time. Manitoban French, taking a university module in French including a presentation and a debate with a natively Franco-Manitoban (where I scored 95%, so I'm pretty confident about my abilities), not a problem. Some issues around accents (eg I expected 'juridique' to rhyme with 'leak', not 'pick') but generally fine. One class we had done by two natively Franco-Ontarians, who work in Ottawa (not sure where in ON they were from originally). An accent I'd never conceived of before (suddenly 'etre' no longer rhymed with 'Petra', but with 'Haida'), I could barely pick out a few words in every sentence... that was a painful few hours :)

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I live in Quebec and even I struggle with the accent. My wife, who is from Quebec struggles with some Quebec accents.

The Ottawa Valley accent is particularly horrible (both English and French).

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Get used to hearing waaah instead of we for oui!

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Ontarian French and Acadian French are the worst for me to hear and I find the hardest to understand.

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I've moved your thread as the Maple Leaf Forum is for off topic posts - and this post is about moving within Canada :)

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It depends on the govt dept you apply to. Some require French but some don't. It also depends on the position, a programmer for example does not require any French to be accepted.
I speak, write and comprehend Parisian French fluently. I sometimes struggle to understand some Quebecois colleagues but I get by just fine. I just show that I didn't catch what they are trying to say and they either use different words to explain it or say it again in English. In the dept where I work, I speak more French than English.
Kanata isn't bad at all. I live in Barrhaven which is 15 mins from Kanata

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Excellent summary of quebecois French. The vast majority of the emigration from France to Quebec had ended by the late 1800's in the pre-airplane/pre-internet/pre-telephone era so communication with France and the French language was difficult and the French language in Canada remained quite stagnant. Quebec has a whole sub-culture of celebrities in TV/music/movies/media that are home grown that don't have any following in France or english Canada.

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I believe that bilingualism is mandatory in Ottawa's hospitals, although the Montfort hospital is largely franco.

Most of the original settlers came from Normandy and brought their language with them. It wasn't until later that Louis XIV and Cardinal Richelieu imposed Modern French (ie Parisian French).

By contrast, Acadians (and Creole) generally trace back to SW France and speak very differently. My wife has difficulty understanding Acadians.

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OH was visiting with some scientists in Ontario many years ago. He learnt Parisian French in England and has kept it up.

But the others at a BBQ were ....... 1 Acadian, 1 Quebecois, 1 Manitoban French, and 1 New Brunswicker

He said they all managed to make themselves understood, but had a great deal of fun comparing the different words and pronunciations.

I think the free flowing alcohol may also have helped / hindered! :lol:

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At my children's, francophone, school, there was a pyramid of linguistic snobbery. One was not to sound as if one came from Canada and at, no cost, should one sound like a franco-Ontarian. They are, of course, franco-Ontarians but I rarely point that out.

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True stories!

My buddy is French Canadian (brought up in Montreal). Of course I teased him that the French would not understand his accent in France, he of course thought he would be received with open arms as a long lost cousin!

First occasion, he was delighted that an old French lady thought he was from Marsaille - he was so happy until I pointed out that the French think that the Marsaille accent is in the French what Geordie is to English!

Second occasion, he was talking to two French guys in a bar on Bordeaux in what he thought was French. I noticed that one of the guys was muttering to the other guy after everything my buddy said. It dawned on me that he was 'translating' from Quebeqoius to true French - biddy very unhappy!

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Our daughter learnt Parisian French at her school in BC, began with conversational lessons in Grade 1, moved onto reading and grammar in Grade 3.

She had difficulty being understood and understanding in Old Montreal at age 12 .... and that was just asking simple questions!

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Our kids went through french immersion here in Ottawa and have been to Paris and other parts of France and have been complimented on their french and people in France couldn't detect any french canadian or even worse franco Ontarian linguistics. The only time our kids had a hard time was with an elderly lady in Nice

Side note: SIL is visiting us now from Hamilton area. 100% cradle, hates footie, you get the picture. England/Colombia game ends and Jordan Pickford and Jordan Henderson (the two Jordan's) are being interviewed after the game. Two geordies on the team and she couldn't understand a word of what they were saying. It's all what you're used to.

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Try going to Saguenay! Inpenetrable accent and far too many fingers for the headcount.

Souvette seems convinced that her brother's three kids are Quebecois. They are not. They were all born and raised in New Brunswick.

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My French is far from fluent. But when I do speak it, it's with (I've been told) a Lyonnais accent - thanks to my high school teacher who hailed from somewhere near Grenoble. I can pick up a fair amount of Montreal or Quebec french, but struggle with some of my brother-in-law's wife's family who come from somewhere out on the Gaspe. Acadian and New Brunswick accents defeat me more often than not...

Teachers at my kids' French Immersion school seem to have a mix of Franco-Ontarian and Quebecois accents.

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Twenty-five rabbits was one of the phrases they had to repeat quickly, like a tongue twister, to see if they'd picked up any hint of localism; soink, lapoing, it's like innit, innit?

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How now, brown cow?

Every language has its regional accent shibboleths, I suspect.

Another French one I remember from school was "a good white wine." Easily distinguished vowel sounds were required for un, bon, vin, and blanc - and not a diphthong among them, please.

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Indeed :)

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party
I sell sea shells on the sea shore
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, a peck of picked peppers Peter Piper picked, if Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, where are the peppers that Peter Piper picked
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains

:p

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I'm not a pheasant plucker, I'm the pheasant plucker's son, I'm only plucking pheasants 'til the pheasant plucker comes.

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Oh well, if that's the game, may I please present:

Mrs Puggy Wuggy has a square cut punt. Not a punt cut square, just a square cut punt. It's round in the stern and blunt in the front. Mrs Puggy Wuggy has a square cut punt.