Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Canada
Reload this Page >

Moving the family to Canada?

Moving the family to Canada?

Old May 29th 2013, 3:48 pm
  #16  
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 12,830
Aviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond reputeAviator has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
Yes and therein lies the exact problem. The country is crippled. It has far too many people and not enough opportunities or resources to compensate for it. Jobs (or should I say careers? Both?), public services, affordable housing... There's a huge lack of it all. You've lived in both....so are you in the UK now then since its so good? If you have lived in both then where you currently reside speaks volumes.....

We believe we have a lot to offer a country as we are educated/skilled and are willing to work hard...we just do not think it will be as appreciated or as rewarding to remain in the UK at this moment in time...
Does not really speak volumes, depends on ones motivation to live somewhere else. I found the UK not really any different in terms of opportunity or politics and bureaucracy to Canada. We stayed her because we are settled, like the scenery and the lifestyle. Politics, work practices economy, not a lot different.

As for working hard and opportunity, unfortunately you may have an unpleasant surprise initially. Unless you have a lot of experience and unique skill set, finding work may not be as easy as you expect. Here it is very much who you know and networking is a big part of getting work. You may find you are not as 'appreciated' here as employees as you feel you deserve. This is a throw away employment society, from an employee and employer perspective, something many expats have a tough time adjusting to.

I had several job offers before moving here, the work was no different to what I did in the UK, the office was identical on the inside, the only difference was the pay cheque in CDN$ and the outside of the office was painted a different colour.
Aviator is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 3:48 pm
  #17  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 32,589
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
The wage over here for both of our fields is about two thirds less than other countries looking at comparable stuff online.
Didn't realise renewable energy engineers could earn so much in Canada! So £100-120k or so? That's great (well, depending on the area of course).

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
My husband covers everything engineering-wise in his qualifications including fabrication, welding, materials, consulting etc... It's just that they also have a specialist focus upon renewables, mostly wind power with this being the UK but obviously he is interested in other sources of renewable energy such as solar and hydro though there is not as much focus on that here (maybe if there were such a thing as rain power that would be different!)
It's wind energy my husband mainly works in too, but wind power in Canada isn't anywhere near as popular as here. His company have now shut down all but one office in Canada because of lack of opportunities in the sector, they're focusing on other countries.

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
It sounds ridiculous as well but I'm really starting to get down about the weather...there are no seasons anymore just constant wind rain and chilly temperatures and my children are getting so down about not being able to enjoy themselves outdoors because of it.....the seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel here, no matter what city we would be in...
That's one thing that could be changed by a move within the UK. I'm often amazed at the weather differences between the south and north of the UK! My children are outside the majority of the time, although they're not bothered by the weather and will go outside in the garden even if it's pouring down (nutters). They're just very outdoorsy kids.

One thing that you might want to look at is job opportunities for your husband in Canada and the weather - Vancouver seems to be where most of the renewable energy companies are based, but obviously that won't help if you want drier weather!

Good luck with it.

Last edited by christmasoompa; May 29th 2013 at 3:53 pm. Reason: Just realised whereabouts in the UK you are, doh!
christmasoompa is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 3:57 pm
  #18  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 300
oopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond reputeoopsbuddy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Stick around Elaine and my advice to you is to read lots and lots and lots of posts,...and don't always take everything you read literally. Sometimes "tongue in cheek" posts don't come across that way in a blog post.

Also, have a good read of the wiki if you haven't already done so, particularly the "Moving back to the UK" section. Read as many posts as you can from people who can't stick Canada, and their reasons why. Therein lie many of the very good reasons why it isn't necessarily a move for everyone, and many people simply want to try and warn potential new immigrants that not everything may be as you expect.

Best of luck though! I'm always happy to tell people to give it a go,...you only live once,...life's an adventure,...you'll be dead long enough,...only regret the things you didn't do and not the things you did,...yada yada.

Research til you can research no more....then go for it!

Last edited by oopsbuddy; May 29th 2013 at 4:01 pm.
oopsbuddy is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 4:06 pm
  #19  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, England, UK
Posts: 18
Elaine77 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

If you think I would uproot my whole family and change my whole life because of the media then you are sorely mistaken. The media are actually saying how GREAT the UK is going to be ESPECIALLY for people who "want to get on and work" and the lot of it is a whole load of propaganda bullsh*t.

They've lost their credit rating; nobody wants to start new businesses and companies here so therefore no jobs are being created; everything is being privatised which is just driving wages and company benefits/insurances through the ground; income is going down, unemployment is going up and the cost of living is rocketing. The poorest of people are being subjected to 'benefit bashing' propaganda by the government who are only doing it to justify them cutting the income tax for the 1% richest minority. Since the UK joined the EU constitution it has went from bad to worse and the NHS? I can't get an appointment for love nor money and so unless its an emergency I just don't bother trying anymore and even if I did the postcode lottery would dictate whether I would get a remotely decent level of care or not.

The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey and the councils have long given up on maintaining the spaces THEY actually own due to the governments sorry state of finances and so maybe Canada is no better than this but it certainly can't be any worse because at the VERY least it has seasons and even ONE better thing is an improvement on nothing.
Elaine77 is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 5:29 pm
  #20  
Forum Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 105
Keelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really niceKeelif is just really nice
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

I've been enthralled with the idea of moving to Canada for a few years now, but we are still in the UK.

Unfortunately due to my husbands career change, and him needing to build up relevant experience in his new field I'm not sure when, or if indeed we'll ever get over to Canada. Although, it is still an adventure I'd love to have!

When I first looked into moving to Canada I was a bit like you in that all I saw were the negative aspects to life in the UK. I think sometimes we do this to try and justify wanting to move.

Yet, the UK isn't all bad, and whoever said about avoiding the daily rags is right. I rarely read them now as they are just too depressing always pointing out the bad and never the good.

The NHS may not be brilliant, but I think that sometimes people don't realise how truly lucky they are to have access to free healthcare.

Anyway what I'm trying to say is if you want to go to Canada then give it a shot, but don't rubbish everything about the UK otherwise when you get to Canada the life you want may not live up to the high expectation thats been created.

All the best with the future.
Keelif is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 5:34 pm
  #21  
BE Enthusiast
 
stuabroad's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: AB since Jan 2009!
Posts: 459
stuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
If you think I would uproot my whole family and change my whole life because of the media then you are sorely mistaken. The media are actually saying how GREAT the UK is going to be ESPECIALLY for people who "want to get on and work" and the lot of it is a whole load of propaganda bullsh*t.

They've lost their credit rating; nobody wants to start new businesses and companies here so therefore no jobs are being created; everything is being privatised which is just driving wages and company benefits/insurances through the ground; income is going down, unemployment is going up and the cost of living is rocketing. The poorest of people are being subjected to 'benefit bashing' propaganda by the government who are only doing it to justify them cutting the income tax for the 1% richest minority. Since the UK joined the EU constitution it has went from bad to worse and the NHS? I can't get an appointment for love nor money and so unless its an emergency I just don't bother trying anymore and even if I did the postcode lottery would dictate whether I would get a remotely decent level of care or not.

The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey and the councils have long given up on maintaining the spaces THEY actually own due to the governments sorry state of finances and so maybe Canada is no better than this but it certainly can't be any worse because at the VERY least it has seasons and even ONE better thing is an improvement on nothing.
I usually only read and don’t comment on these UK vs. Canada debates. However I was back in the UK in April for 2 weeks on business+pleasure, so here’s my 2 pence. I traveled extensively from Scotland down to London. When i left the UK in 2008 it was already in the grips of depression as the financial collapse was just taking hold. Fast forward to 2013 and I sensed a real increased tension everywhere. Of course that's emphasized due to me not living in the country, but everyone i spoke to said that things were tough. Everyone’s rushing around at 2000 mph but feeling like they’re going backwards. And yet...i've never seen so many BMWs/Audis everywhere...so life is clearly still pretty good for alot of people back home.

Someone made a point about UK media - I agree that turning the TV and radio off is a positive step. I used to tune in every morning to Radio 4 (sometimes still do) and i did this when i was back last month. After about 3 days i turned it off - because there was no point to the babble. I realized how negative the commentary was. On the flipside the lack of cultural input from the media here is astonishing, it's all big hair and makeup. If you grew up with only CNN and FOX new and your local newspaper – need I say more.

As for the seasons...if you want rain and a climate similar to the UK then head for Vancouver. Being near the water comes with a premium though, noone can afford to live there

If you want 5 months of -30c and some snow... but followed by 5 months of beautiful summer...then head for Alberta. Economy is pretty good due to oil and gas, even though there’s a deficit of a few billion this year lol

But the feeling of impending doom isn't here. People shrug it off and get on with their lives.
There’s more space and nothing’s really in your face. From this perspective, life is what you make it. After a couple of years you start to think and act less like you’re under siege and start to realize your life is in a new place. It takes years to adjust so reading posts on this forum can only give you some insight. It’s really down to whether or not you’re up for the adventure.

Would i want to bring up my kids in the UK? Nope. I don’t worry about it here.

Is life perfect here in Canada? Nope. There are humans everywhere you go unfortunately.

Get your research done and find out if you can get a job. It may be a long process - usually is for most of us. But it's worth it in the end: if it's crap you can always go back. You're a long time dead.

Good luck with your research.

Last edited by stuabroad; May 29th 2013 at 5:37 pm.
stuabroad is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 5:53 pm
  #22  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 32,589
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey
Yeah, you're right. The Lake District/Cotswolds/coastal villages in Cornwall really are an eyesore aren't they?
christmasoompa is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:02 pm
  #23  
BE Enthusiast
 
stuabroad's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: AB since Jan 2009!
Posts: 459
stuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond reputestuabroad has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by christmasoompa View Post
Yeah, you're right. The Lake District/Cotswolds/coastal villages in Cornwall really are an eyesore aren't they?
We had our first rain of the year last week. I didn't know it was possible to miss it
stuabroad is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:11 pm
  #24  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, England, UK
Posts: 18
Elaine77 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!

I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in....

Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course....

Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face]

Last edited by Elaine77; May 29th 2013 at 6:14 pm.
Elaine77 is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:16 pm
  #25  
Seasoned Maritimer
 
Tangram's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick CA
Posts: 8,307
Tangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!

I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in....

Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course....

Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face]
I lived in the Cotswolds before coming here and am far from being well off. I worked in I.T. about an hour drive from the village. It was not by any means an elephants' graveyard or god's waiting room, far from it.
Tangram is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:31 pm
  #26  
Henry Bear
 
Piff Poff's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Red Deer, Alberta
Posts: 10,519
Piff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond reputePiff Poff has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Go for it, you only live once. We went for it, probably not the best move we could have made in our lives but for now we are where we are, Red Deer won't be our forever home, even though we love Red Deer.

Talk to the nurses that frequent this forum to talk about healthcare. Look at dental costs, prescription costs etc, you'll be surprised to realise how good the NHS really is.

You talk about missing seasons - we miss seasons here. We go from bloody hot to bloody cold in a blink of an eye with no real season in between, bloody cold lasts for a lot longer than bloody hot, believe me it's not much fun spending time outside when it's 21 below.

You also mention opportunity for work, that imo is hit and miss, yes you may get a job in your field and you may make more money, you'll also be spending more on houses and utilities so it evens out. Canadians are also reluctant to give a job to someone they don't already know.

It really is 6 of one and half a dozen of another, have a few trips out to really see if it's what you want and start applying for jobs, you never know you might get lucky.
Piff Poff is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:37 pm
  #27  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 32,589
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!

I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in....

Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course....

Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face]
Your husband can earn £80k a year, and you can't afford to live in a nice area?

Clearly you are determined that your children will have an awful existence in the UK and a wonderful drug, crime and pregnancy free one in Canada, and nothing will dissuade you otherwise. Which is fine, but please be gracious enough to thank everybody that has taken the time to give you their advice rather than being so aggressive and only thanking the one person that has vaguely agreed with you.
christmasoompa is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:39 pm
  #28  
Seasoned Maritimer
 
Tangram's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick CA
Posts: 8,307
Tangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond reputeTangram has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by christmasoompa View Post
Your husband can earn £80k a year, and you can't afford to live in a nice area?

Clearly you are determined that your children will have an awful existence in the UK and a wonderful drug, crime and pregnancy free one in Canada, and nothing will dissuade you otherwise. Which is fine, but please be gracious enough to thank everybody that has taken the time to give you their advice rather than being so aggressive and only thanking the one person that has vaguely agreed with you.
Isn't that what people want, and want to hear ?
Tangram is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:46 pm
  #29  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, England, UK
Posts: 18
Elaine77 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Should I thank the person who decided to take the p*ss out of me too should I? With their 'sarcasm i wouldn't understand'. I never said I wanted people to agree i just wanted a balanced view and information rather than the usual negative comments and Stu was the only one who gave a balanced opinion giving pros and cons to both sides and being honest enough to admit he wouldn't want to raise children in the Uk.

And £80k a year? Maybe in 30years time with 30 years experience yeah when our children are too old to benefit from it? The qualified people who are training him are working as trainers and lecturers for £30k a year because they say the job opportunities are just not there at the moment in the Uk..... Not sure why they would do that if they could all be earning £80k?
Elaine77 is offline  
Old May 29th 2013, 6:52 pm
  #30  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 32,589
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Moving the family to Canada?

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
Should I thank the person who decided to take the p*ss out of me too should I?
You don't have to, but plenty of other people have commented too and you've just argued with them without a word of thanks.

Originally Posted by Elaine77 View Post
And £80k a year? Maybe in 30years time with 30 years experience yeah when our children are too old to benefit from it? The qualified people who are training him are working as trainers and lecturers for £30k a year because they say the job opportunities are just not there at the moment in the Uk..... Not sure why they would do that if they could all be earning £80k?
I'm sure that there is a salary difference between London and Newcastle, but certainly in London a renewable energy engineer could earn something like that. And no, not after 30 years.

So if you really want to live in the Cotswolds or similar, your husband could earn enough to do that in the UK, just perhaps not in the area you currently live in.
christmasoompa is offline  

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.