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oceanMDX Dec 4th 2006 11:49 pm

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by welshchem
Like I stated before there is no way to determine whether the cold of the air itself or it's changed properties cause the attacks. If you took a step back from the pomposity of having to be right perhaps you'd see where you're going wrong.

I ignored your silly statement the first time you made it, but you persist.

Well, one could wear a respirator to purify the air. :rolleyes:
Attacking someone's character doesn't do a thing to save your rather labored argument - it just makes you look like a desperate bully.



The article you refer to in post 31 examines the increase in astma compared with the increase in pollutants so there's no reason for them to mention cold air.
It's spelled "asthma", and they do mention cold air making it clear that generally it's not a key trigger - as I have been trying to tell you. It's the crap in the air that's of primary concern according to the article. :rolleyes:


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welshchem Dec 4th 2006 11:56 pm

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by oceanMDX
Well, one could wear a respirator to purify the air. :rolleyes:
Attacking someone's character doesn't do a thing to save your rather labored argument.




It's spelled "asthma", and they do mention cold air making it clear that generally it's not a key trigger - as I have been trying to tell you. It's the crap in the air that's of primary concern. :rolleyes:


:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

I'm not getting drawn into a petty argument where you feel the need to pick up on typos. I don't have a side of the argument, my whole point has been that there's no point as regardless of what the most common triggers are people are affected by differing factors be they physical or stress related.

dbd33 Dec 5th 2006 12:07 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by tableland
This is probably because of the proximity of Sydney to the ocean.

Dunno about that, Lake Ontario is a substantial body of water; it moderates the temperature as well as causing strange snow distribution patterns.

Tableland Dec 5th 2006 12:14 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
Dunno about that, Lake Ontario is a substantial body of water; it moderates the temperature as well as causing strange snow distribution patterns.

It is a large body of water at 18,000 square kilometeres, but compared to the Pacific's 181,000,000 square kilometeres it's a tiddler. the temperatures of coastal cities and places surrounded by water like Britain are strongly influenced by the ocean. I'm not certain the great lakes will have the same power as the oceans.

dbd33 Dec 5th 2006 12:47 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by tableland
It is a large body of water at 18,000 square kilometeres, but compared to the Pacific's 181,000,000 square kilometeres it's a tiddler. the temperatures of coastal cities and places surrounded by water like Britain are strongly influenced by the ocean. I'm not certain the great lakes will have the same power as the oceans.

It's not a metric lake, most of it is attached to America. It covers 7,340 sq. miles.

iaink Dec 5th 2006 1:27 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by tableland
It is a large body of water at 18,000 square kilometeres, but compared to the Pacific's 181,000,000 square kilometeres it's a tiddler. the temperatures of coastal cities and places surrounded by water like Britain are strongly influenced by the ocean. I'm not certain the great lakes will have the same power as the oceans.

It definitely has a noticeable effect locally. Summer temperatures are usually several degrees cooler by the lake, and warmer in the winter, as well as resulting in lake effect snow conditions. A similar onshore draft keeps a nice breeze by the shore in the summer too. This part of the world has some of the greatest annual temperature fluctuations, and the lake is a huge heat sink that has a real moderating effect. Thats why the smart business people live by the lake in Toronto...but we send the politicians a bit inland to Ottawa!

Tableland Dec 5th 2006 1:33 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by iaink
It definitely has a noticeable effect locally. Summer temperatures are usually several degrees cooler by the lake, and warmer in the winter, as well as resulting in lake effect snow conditions. A similar onshore draft keeps a nice breeze by the shore in the summer too. This part of the world has some of the greatest annual temperature fluctuations, and the lake is a huge heat sink.

Interesting - I imagine the effect is greatly amplified the bigger the body of water. Certainly Britain's island status radically influences its weather - the maritime climate of warm wet winters and relatively cool summers are all thanks to the surrounding water. This is why many have reported no real difference between Sydney and Toronto despite the former's reputation for being a "hot" city, etc. Florida's humidity is because of its peninsula status for the same reason.

But then east coast Australian cities are much more humid than Perth. Hmmmm, this maddening metereological mystery is getting out of control.

Just where the hell is Michael Fish when you need him, eh?

[Translation for American readers]

Just where the hell is Michael Fish when you need him, huh?

pint princess Dec 5th 2006 1:59 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by welshchem
there's no point as regardless of what the most common triggers are people are affected by differing factors be they physical or stress related.

But 'what are the most common triggers for asthma' hasn't been the argument.

Someone asked if cold air was a trigger for asthma, I said yes it can be and that it's a well known and common trigger. OceanMDX said no not really. I restated that yes cold air is a common and well known trigger .... and then he starts bleating on about how mould, etc are a more major trigger when whether x or y was more major trigger was not the point of my disagreement with him in the first place.

It's a fallacious argument of some sort.

welshchem Dec 5th 2006 2:09 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by pint princess
But 'what are the most common triggers for asthma' hasn't been the argument.

Someone asked if cold air was a trigger for asthma, I said yes it can be and that it's a well known and common trigger. OceanMDX said no not really. I restated that yes cold air is a common and well known trigger .... and then he starts bleating on about how mould, etc are a more major trigger when whether x or y was more major trigger was not the point of my disagreement with him in the first place.

It's a fallacious argument of some sort.


In that case I'll butt out. You two carry on :)

printer Dec 5th 2006 2:12 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by welshchem
In that case I'll butt out. You two carry on :)


Should we start an Asthma thread? :)

Souvenir Dec 5th 2006 2:28 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by pint princess
It's a fallacious argument of some sort.

I have those arguments with my missus all the time.

Except that we spell it fellacious.

I always lose.

welshchem Dec 5th 2006 2:29 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir
I have those arguments with my missus all the time.

Except that we spell it fellacious.

I always lose.

You did have the harder side to debate ;)

dbd33 Dec 5th 2006 2:37 am

Re: Moving from Australia to Canada
 
What if the air is warmed by a block heater?


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