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Oh, this isn't right at all. Ontarians know Ontario and whichever country they came from. They're highly aware of the world though they're likely not aware of or interested in the rest of Canada. We can see this because the World Cup is a huge event here whereas the hockey and curling things are much less important.

I'm not sure where Mantioba is so I think I missed this joke.

Rich has something about Cascadia in his profile, that's the only reference I've seen. I assume these are all terms related to being stoned.

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Yeah, pretty much. :) What's your point? ;)

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I just wonder if, for a change, I should call the man and say "we want to go to Cascadia, drop off a quarter, would you?".

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Works for me. ;)

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I lived in Montreal Quebec during the last "referendum" basically, the people were asked, do you (as Quebecers) want to be seperated/independent from the rest of Canada... the "No" side won by a under a 10% margin, meant ALOT of my anglo friends/co-workers got scared about it and moved to other parts of Canada... most common location for them moving to? Ontario! :rolleyes: EVERYONE seems to go to Ontario and to be honest, when I have visited, the only part/memory I truely enjoy is ice-skating on the Rideau Canal (which funnily enough is a French named river!) about 7 years ago.... everything shuts off/down by 10pm, best be a morning person if you want to live there... Night owls BEWARE! :zzz:

Yes as an English speaking Quebecer I was a minority, but I don't believe that Francophones are that easily led by the nose or disillusioned to believe that the politicians in the PQ can actually follow through with their "paved roads of gold" stories they like to feed Quebec with.

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QC will not secede. Why would it bother? It has already everything it wants. As someone once told me 'it is unlikely but if QC were to secede then no doubt it would want a divorce but still retain 'boudoir priviledges'.

As far as the poor newfies are concerned well no one twisted Joey Smallwood's arm when he agreed some 40 years ago to sell power to QC (the Churchill falls agreement).

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Daedra writes: ... and to be honest, when I have visited, the only part/memory I truely enjoy is ice-skating on the Rideau Canal (which funnily enough is a French named river!) about 7 years ago.... everything shuts off/down by 10pm, best be a morning person if you want to live there... Night owls BEWARE! :zzz:

I spent a few months in Ottawa. It was, is, and no doubt, will be, the most boring city in the western world. It has all the creature comforts for sure but it just isn't (wasn't) the place for me. After 40 plus years in Montreal it is hard to settle down in Ottawa. Then again, to each his own.

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I'm not the man :p

Here: http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

It's an interesting concept, the site is a bit tongue in cheek but there is a serious side: Washington and Oregon were originally British of some sort and Britain wasn't too bothered that US nabbed um, IIRC. So the idea is that BC, Alaska, WA and OR join forces as a substantial economic power. Face it, BC has more in common, ideologically, with WA and OR, than it has with QC, ON etc, yo headz jus ain't at the same funky space place, maan.

Firstly, given US economic/political shifts, some instability in the US over the next decades could trigger serious happenings in state/nation structure. WA and OR have always been remote and off message for the mainstream US and would be ripe fruit to pick for an exciting new happening in the world politik.

Secondly, looking at the region, the mix of import-export, fishing, farming, technology, population bases, black crops, etc makes for a bright future with an environmentally positive bias in a unique, biodiverse region, some kinda real gaia/nirvana thing. Think about it, awesome leisure pursuits, legalised dope, funky politics, high-tax high service society, complete with beardy cops in sandals with stop and search policies to ensure your stash is a good deal and the man ain't burned ya. And all the touristy types would still head to us to view the wonders of this nu-gaia made real, even if it meant exchanging your bucks for Rizlas as the legal currency of the Peoples Republic of Cascadia. Bill Gates could be Finance Minister and Marc Emery Agriculture Minister.

Yeah man, vote Cascadia now :D you know it makes [non]sense

Rich [inspired to post other message of garbled nonsense]

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In fact the question (verbatim) was....

"Acceptez-vous que le Québec devienne souverain, après avoir offert formellement au Canada un nouveau partenariat économique et politique, dans le cadre du projet de loi sur l'avenir du Québec et de l'entente signée le 12 juin 1995?"

The English translation was also on the ballot: "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?"

The result was a dead heat (less than a 1% no, nothing like 10%), largely because very few people knew what the ***** they were voting on.

Hence the Clarity Act.

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If anyone *really* cares, can I suggest popping along to the rather excellent www.cbc.ca/shop and picking up the fantastic DVD of a program called 'Breaking Point' which was first broadcast last October (10th anniversary tie-in, I imagine).

http://www.cbcshop.ca/CBC/shopping/p...50D&lang=en-CA

Hell, I knew how it ended and I had butterflies as I was watching. God only knows what it must have felt like to be living through it. :scared:

I doubt that the separatist/sovereignists will ever have as close a referendum as that again (famous last words). If such a wishy-washy non-committal question like that couldn't raise 50% then I don't know what would.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vive_le_quebec_libre

It was in '67 and De Gaulle (in an unscripted moment) revealed his personal backing for the separation of Quebec and the ROC.

Apparently Lester B. Pearson tore a strip off him in private after the event with words along the lines of "Canadians have given their lives throughout this century to liberate France. Quebecers don't need to be liberated from anything".

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Fantastic. as en-route and not yet arrive`, not to appropriate to comment i suppose, but surely separating from anything connected to a nation of collaborators has got to be a good thing.

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Ha! My former father-in-law couldn't bring himself to use the word Québécois, to him the correct expression for people living in French Canada was "Petainist".

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The clarity act? I know ALL about the clarity act... use Step 1 2 & 3 of Clean and Clear every day, never had such clarity before! ;)

That brought back a flood of memories... yeah the question was ludicrously long and stupid. 1%? Is that why the PQ still keep promising that they will never stop and are just waiting for the "right time"... does that mean once every english thing in the province has been eradicated? I think about that time will be when I'll probably end up moving back to Montreal just to say NYAAAH NYAAAH to the PQ :p

One of the books I read by Robert A Heinlein (think it was "Friday" but not sure now, been atleast a decade since I read them) had a part of it where the heroine had to travel in to New Quebec from Ontario but had to sneak past border patrols because she didn't have a passport to enter the country of New Quebec. UGH that came out more complicated then I thought!

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Is New Quebec south of Georgia?