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Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432379)
I don't really understand what you are trying to say
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Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 8432403)
I do think you'd need to prepare yourself for working longer regular hours than you're hoping for. I think a 35 hour week is only for those pretend workers in the public sector... ;).
8-4, 5 weeks holiday and a 20 minute commute. Life's not so bad here. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8432469)
In a nutshell that it's unprofessional to take the position that " I will always put my family and spending time with my year old boy first". Employers cannot prevent you from having children but conveying the idea that your first loyalty is not to the firm is very much a career limiting move. If you want to see the child awake on weekday evenings then you should think in terms of taking work home so as to be able to combine working and viewing.
I suppose you can argue that it is unprofessional but I really hope that your particular outlook on life isn't one shared by Canadians in general as in my opinion this sort of attitude is inconsiderate, almost incredulous, and not to mention being poor parenting (in my opinion of course). Perhaps you are just trying to wake me up to the reality of the situation but my particular view point on working life is that I am doing an employer a favour by working for them rather than them doing me a favour by employing me. If this outlook on life needs readjusted then fair enough, I'll look into it. I wasnt really expecting working life to apparently be so extremely different to that found in the UK. It's certainly contrary to most of what Ive read and enquired about thus far. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 8432485)
:thumbup:
8-4, 5 weeks holiday and a 20 minute commute. Life's not so bad here. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8430455)
Hi all
Apologies if I seem a little lazy with not trying to wade through the threads here (or the net for that matter) but Im hoping someone could give me a little help and advice. My partner and I really fancy a move to Canada and after visiting the Expo in Glasgow and doing a little research myself quite like the look of Ontario, particularly somewhere like Guelph or Burlington. We plan to narrow some potential places down to a handful and visit later in the year as theres only so much you can get from the web. Is there anywhere else we should consider? Is there anywhere suitable for a young family of 3 (and hopefully soon to be 4!) in the Greater Toronto Area that is pleasant, affordable and family friendly or should we stick to a smaller town/city? I'm fairly clued up on the Visa time frame and costs but Im wondering about my employment chances. Firstly I am a CA (ICAS qualified) with nearly 3 years post qualified experience in practice. How easy is it to become Canadian qualified and how would one go about it? Also, is there plenty accounting/audit based work outside of the GTA (ie. in the places we plan to live)? Im a little concerned that Id have to seek work in Toronto's centre and commute as I do just now but to be honest its part of the reason I want to escape! As much as I love big cities to relax and explore (NY is a hoot) Id rather not work in the middle of them. I have about a million questions but Im rambling and I'll probably be lucky to get a response at this rate! Id greatly appreciate to hear any views and opinions and look forward to hearing from at least some of you! Thanks in advance |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432496)
Are you for real?! Sorry if I feel you are on a bit of a wind up here.
I suppose you can argue that it is unprofessional but I really hope that your particular outlook on life isn't one shared by Canadians in general as in my opinion this sort of attitude is inconsiderate, almost incredulous, and not to mention being poor parenting (in my opinion of course). The quality of your "parenting" is not, of course, a matter of interest to your prospective employers. It should not become necessary for your employer or co-workers to know of the existence of the child. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432497)
Thank God! I thought Canada was turning into a military zone for a minute there...
Holiday allowances are often less than you'd be accustomed to, and hiring/firing is a fact of life. His heads-up is realistic in terms of the work environment that you're possibly going to be exposed to in the GTA. It's different in a smaller city where competition is less intense, and it's also quite different as Jingsamichty mentioned in the public sector, where work practices are heavily influenced by unions. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432194)
I'll need to do a lengthy visit some time soon to see whats suitable myself
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Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8432512)
I am for real and would point out that the opinions of "Canadians in general" are, by and large, irrelevant. In the workplace your competitors are going to be other immigrants so it's the degree of commitment offered by recent arrivals from poverty stricken countries that should be your benchmark. You need to seem more driven than they are.
The quality of your "parenting" is not, of course, a matter of interest to your prospective employers. It should not become necessary for your employer or co-workers to know of the existence of the child. I am certainly not work averse but on the other hand I am certainly not desperate. If another foreigner wishes to do silly hours then fair play to them. I have a limit to my working day in mind and will stick with that. I just value family life more than I do any job. I hope I dont come across too poorly with that attitude. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 8432503)
You seem to have a decent job and you live in Scotland. Why would you want to go through all the hassle and expense of moving to somewhere without the security of a decent job, take the wee man out of Scotland's very good schools, have to eventually stump up tuition money for higher ed., live in an urban sprawl of sub-divisions, box stores and strip malls, suffer brutal winters and hot, humid and mosquito infested summers, live next to people who will barely talk to you just because you fancy it? On the other hand it could be the move of your life, the making of you and a real chance to give your family, especially the wee man, a decent quality of life. And they don't really have proper pubs in Scotland anyway so you won't miss that.
But, as you say, I do see it as a chance to get a decent quality of life and to experience something new. Im not expecting some playground where fun's to be had at all times. Saying "I fancy it" wasn't meant to be taken quite as it sounds :lol: Just a bit of banter. We are very keen on the idea. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432532)
I just value family life more than I do any job. I hope I dont come across too poorly with that attitude.
Guelph, otoh, is a pastoral paradise. It's nice but not obviously worth crossing an ocean to see. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 8432522)
I think dbd's offering you a reality check - the corporate world here is just as competitive and cut-throat as anywhere else, but without some of the security that European employment legislation provides employees.
Holiday allowances are often less than you'd be accustomed to, and hiring/firing is a fact of life. His heads-up is realistic in terms of the work environment that you're possibly going to be exposed to in the GTA. It's different in a smaller city where competition is less intense, and it's also quite different as Jingsamichty mentioned in the public sector, where work practices are heavily influenced by unions. In reality it probably highlights why I wouldnt want to work in Toronto itself. I have absolutely no doubt I would hate living/working in London (which is the closest I could compare to in UK) and dont doubt at all that the types of attitudes dbd hints at would be everywhere there. But I guess that is why I would be looking at a smaller city. One almost comparable to Edinburgh in size and work environment (though I dont want to sound like I want a lot of things from home to come with me). My partner and I haven't ruled out Halifax (which we both really liked when we visited last year) or other regions in Ontario. I guess we are very much open to suggestions on the East Canada front. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8432544)
It doesn't seem a poor attitude to me but I'm not kidding in suggesting that the GTA is full of people who have just arrived from places of dire poverty (>50% foreign born population in Toronto remember) who will do anything to get ahead. There are hordes of people living in shitty little boxes in places like Brampton, Mississauga and Milton who endure 3 or 4 hours of commuting per day and who are highly motivated to, at least, make a lot of money out of it.
Guelph, otoh, is a pastoral paradise. It's nice but not obviously worth crossing an ocean to see. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
I'd be of the opinion that your work/life balance will not change dramatically other than, in Canada:
You will have less vacation time, thus less full days to spend with your family and You will not have the employee protection you receive in the UK if your employer does not like the limited hours you're willing to work on a daily basis and You will not have family around you to offer physical support for you, your wife, and your child Other than the above, i very much doubt you will see much difference after a while, in real terms, other than the scenery and price of cheese. |
Re: A Little Bit of Help...
Originally Posted by J0n35y
(Post 8432554)
I would hate living/working in London (which is the closest I could compare to in UK) and dont doubt at all that the types of attitudes dbd hints at would be everywhere there.
The finance guys don't work too much more than that and get paid nicely. They do work extra hours during Quarter End and Year End mind you. |
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