Notiaink...honest

Odd. Im almost certain that the Ranger has never been offered with a V8. Its a compact truck.

So unless it was an engine transplant job you might be talking out off a different orifice. Even the crap emissions strangled V8s of the late 70s and early 80s would have more torque at highway speeds than a normally aspirated LR diesel.

Kittykerr

i know, thats why i was wanting a landy, so at least it would be familiar, even if not great handling.

but as the second car, the subaru impreza wrx STI that im going to get wont have many faults in that department!

Kittykerr

well im on about the V6 ranger.

and not a NA landy, a TDI diesel is the one im talking about.

dbd33

Trained, no. Do it, yes. I very much enjoyed travelling 100 miles in an hour in
the Mustang I ran until a couple of years ago. The fastest I've driven today was 110mph, in the gaymobile, that's not a speed I imagine one can attain in an old Land Rover.

I'm having trouble finding quarter mile figures for diesel Land Rovers, perhaps people don't commonly race them. I can't even find 0-60mph times, do they go 60mph?

There is some stuff on the web about diesel Range Rovers:

"Performance is perfectly acceptable, once you learn to plan overtaking manoeuvres and allow for the car's sheer bulk."

"It's certainly a quantum leap over the old 2.5 unit. Power is up 30 per cent to 174bhp, while torque rises to 390Nm. As a result, the 0-60mph time drops from 14.3 seconds to 13.6"

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/06032006/45...-diesel-0.html

Here's a piece in which the F150 is criticised for not matching the Silverado's 0-60mph time of 7 seconds. The Ford takes 8:

http://www.superonda.com/news/story....ronda_magazine

dbd33

Incidentally, if the thrust of your argument is that British cars give you more of the horn than American ones then I understand that, lots of American cars are deathly dull. However it's just silly to argue than recent American vehicles have worse suspension and performance than old Land Rovers; the better Americana has excellent engineering and offers exciting vehicles people can afford. GM's Pontiac Solstice GXP, for example, offers a great deal of speed and handling for twenty grand.

Kittykerr

i believe the new landy td5 is about 13 secs 0-60. but comparing it against the biggest engined f150 is hardly a fair comparison.

anyway, this is going way off topic, the landrover has acceptable speed for whats its used for, perfectly comfortable to use on any road/traffic situation.

like i said the STI will do me for the speed side of things! 300hp from a 2 litre engine

Kittykerr

i agree, but you mst admit the mustangs suspension is stone age.
i think they were hankering back to the old horse wagons of the wild west.

dbd33

If what you want is to cross an empty car park covered in ice sideways with the top down it's a blast. Practical, well, not so much.

Notiaink...honest

Twenty Grand? In your dreams. I dont think you can get in the base now with change from 30k after taxes, and the turbo one is more like 35k plus tax.

Besides, wasnt that a European car essentially, a vauxhall VX220/ opel GT more specifically.

Other good handling US cars, like the 300M/Charger/Magnum, were based on the last gen Merc E class.

The mustang suspension is stone age for a reason, it doesn't break when you try and put 500ftlb of torque through it while peeling off the line. Thats what makes mustangs fun. There are no bends in most of the roads here anyway, so its all about acceleration and surviving potholes.

Short of the Corvette, Saleens and the GT40, I cant think of too many truly US engineered sporty cars that do corners well, but thats hardly relevant to discussion of Landys. I think it odd to dismiss Jeeps out of hand, they essentially do the exact same thing as an LR, often better in extreme form, but with big gas engines and steel bodies.

Biiiiink

Assuming Land Rover still exist and assuming it happens, they want to sell the Defender replacement in North America, 2010 I think it's slated for?

Roos here

Hi,

Not meaning to chirp in, but i have driven both the jeep and the defender, and the new 2007 jeep is really good especially the new 4 door wrangler, if fact that is what my wife wants when we land, you can test them over here at the moment, but they haven't brought out the deisel in NA yet.

Whereas i am after the grand cherokee srt8....SUV and fast !!!

Roo.

dbd33

What exactly is it that people do for which a Land Rover or Jeep is well suited?

Notiaink...honest

Off road trail driving..you know, the sort of thing off road clubs get up too...

Sean Boxer

Are there any pictures of this anywhere?

Biiiiink

No, I read it somewhere. Will dig around and see where.

Edit: this isn't where I read it, but they have old drawings of a rumour of a 2008 Defender that proved to be completely false. They wonder if they might be drawings of the 2010 replacement instead? http://tinyurl.com/29enjn