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hh619 Jan 9th 2018 6:29 am

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Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12414161)
You might also think hard about expecting in-laws to come for extended visits and provide child care ..............

it is not acceptable for parents to come and provide free child care, thus taking a job away from a Canadian. You might find that they are refused extended visas in that case.

Initially they would come over for moral support during the early stages, because they have flexible occupations. Further down the line, with sponsorship, we would enlist their help. Although, they might decide they don't want to come over anyway.

Shakyuk Jan 9th 2018 7:36 am

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Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 12414167)
More than unacceptable, it would be illegal.


This was pretty shocking. Out of interest why is it illegal? Are they concerned purely about taking a job from a Canadian? Could I grand parent visit for 6 months and watch the children or is that illegal?


I'm interested because I just don't understand the logic behind this, surely Canadians leave their kids with their parents.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 9:28 am

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Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414029)
Thanks Siouxie & raindropsandroses - I'll take another look at the Atlantic Immigration Pilot.

In Regards to all NSPNP streams it says "All of our streams require at least Canadian High School (or equivalent). " How many GCSE's need to be taken to achieve this with an ECA? or is it 6th form?

It would be at least A-Level. If you don't have much of a higher education background then I'm not surprised that your CRS is low tbh. I have IT work experience in Canada but only met the CRS passing grade after earning my degree.

In your case something like AINP is probably going to be the best option but keep in mind that some of those jobs don't pay especially well. I think a few companies like IBM have NOC and support call centres in NS and the driving force behind recruiting from abroad is because they struggle to get any Canadian residents to relocate.

hh619 Jan 9th 2018 10:31 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12414328)
It would be at least A-Level. If you don't have much of a higher education background then I'm not surprised that your CRS is low tbh. I have IT work experience in Canada but only met the CRS passing grade after earning my degree.

In your case something like AINP is probably going to be the best option but keep in mind that some of those jobs don't pay especially well. I think a few companies like IBM have NOC and support call centres in NS and the driving force behind recruiting from abroad is because they struggle to get any Canadian residents to relocate.

Hi, yes that has been the issue previously. However, now I’ve got IEC i was hoping to go the PNP route via paper based or CEC EE (with nomination). I don't believe CEC or OINP require high school education.

In regards to jobs; i would not accept anything less than Senior consultant / Architect / IT Manager level positions regardless. I would love to come to Canada, but i'm not taking a step backwards to achieve it.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 10:48 am

Re: Jobs & locations - advice needed!
 

Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414383)
Hi, yes that has been the issue previously. However, now I’ve got IEC i was hoping to go the PNP route via paper based or CEC EE (with nomination). I don't believe CEC or OINP require high school education.

In regards to jobs; i would not accept anything less than Senior consultant / Architect / IT Manager level positions regardless. I would love to come to Canada, but i'm not taking a step backwards to achieve it.

Do you have no formal education at all? Please keep in mind that the Canadians value certificates and paper credentials far more so than we do in Britain. It's not the be all and end all in a high demand sector like IT (I didn't have a degree when I last worked there) but it might work against you particularly when applying for senior level positions and when you're living in an area where jobs are more scarce.

It's also not uncommon for people to take a step backwards regarding their first couple of years in Canada, particularly since Canadian experience and qualifications are valued so highly. Again, less of an issue in IT than in most other professions but still something to keep in mind.

hh619 Jan 9th 2018 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12414404)
Do you have no formal education at all? Please keep in mind that the Canadians value certificates and paper credentials far more so than we do in Britain. It's not the be all and end all in a high demand sector like IT (I didn't have a degree when I last worked there) but it might work against you particularly when applying for senior level positions and when you're living in an area where jobs are more scarce.

It's also not uncommon for people to take a step backwards regarding their first couple of years in Canada, particularly since Canadian experience and qualifications are valued so highly. Again, less of an issue in IT than in most other professions but still something to keep in mind.

I finished High School and I've got a massive list of industry certifications. Finding a job has not been a problem so far.. i've had 6 different companies interested in me so far. If i worked in Toronto, there would be a lot more too. None of them have questioned my education.

The problem is achieving PR. So far, with PNP, Ontario seems like the winner.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 11:02 am

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Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414408)
I finished High School and I've got a massive list of industry certifications. Finding a job has not been a problem so far.. i've had 6 different companies interested in me so far. If i worked in Toronto, there would be a lot more too. None of them have questioned my education.

The problem is achieving PR. So far, with PNP, Ontario seems like the winner.

Your certs will do more for you there than they will in Britain but a lot of companies still would question why you don't have at least an associates degree, particularly for management roles.

Not a killer by any means and not a problem in the short term, especially if you already have work lined up but still something to keep in mind.

If you have a particularly sought after specialism, and it sounds as though you do, then you shouldn't struggle too much.

hh619 Jan 9th 2018 11:07 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12414420)
Your certs will do more for you there than they will in Britain but a lot of companies still would question why you don't have at least an associates degree, particularly for management roles.

Not a killer by any means and not a problem in the short term, especially if you already have work lined up but still something to keep in mind.

If you have a particularly sought after specialism, and it sounds as though you do, then you shouldn't struggle too much.

Yeah i expect that they will question the lack of degree for management roles. The management roles I’ve seen so far are paying less than the consultant ones anyway :ohmy:

I would be scared to commit and take a job unless I know I can achieve PR. It’s not worth the stress lol.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 11:12 am

Re: Jobs & locations - advice needed!
 

Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414426)
Yeah i expect that they will question the lack of degree for management roles. The management roles I’ve seen so far are paying less than the consultant ones anyway :ohmy:

I would be scared to commit and take a job unless I know I can achieve PR. It’s not worth the stress lol.

Keep in mind that consulting there doesn't offer some of the benefits that it does in the UK although arguably it's less enticing in the UK these days since they killed off IR35.

In Ontario you need at least a 6 month contract to score a health insurance card as well if you're not a PR.

dbd33 Jan 9th 2018 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12414430)
Keep in mind that consulting there doesn't offer some of the benefits that it does in the UK although arguably it's less enticing in the UK these days since they killed off IR35.

In Ontario you need at least a 6 month contract to score a health insurance card as well if you're not a PR.

Depends what's meant by "consultant". That term is used both to describe people who work on a contract basis, regardless of the level of the position, and people who are employees of an organization who don't have anything specific to do. Typically someone who is an employee and has the title "consultant" or "business consultant" is waiting to retire and no longer trusted to touch anything. A younger person who has no defined purpose will be called something like "Agile Evangelist" or "LEAN Facilitator".

In this case I'd guess "consultant" means "contractor" but that's not clear. If it does then I don't see how a contract could relate to a health card. The contract is between an agency (hereinafter "the pimp") and the contractor's individual corporation. There's no contractual arrangement involving the individual, nor can there be, as both the contractor and the pimp need that distance for tax and liability reasons.

Given the stability of the OP's ambitions I think he needs an actual job rather than a contract.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 11:59 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12414458)
Given the stability of the OP's ambitions I think he needs an actual job rather than a contract.

Very, very good point.

I love reading your posts btw. :lol:

hh619 Jan 9th 2018 12:05 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12414458)
Depends what's meant by "consultant". That term is used both to describe people who work on a contract basis, regardless of the level of the position, and people who are employees of an organization who don't have anything specific to do. Typically someone who is an employee and has the title "consultant" or "business consultant" is waiting to retire and no longer trusted to touch anything. A younger person who has no defined purpose will be called something like "Agile Evangelist" or "LEAN Facilitator".

In this case I'd guess "consultant" means "contractor" but that's not clear. If it does then I don't see how a contract could relate to a health card. The contract is between an agency (hereinafter "the pimp") and the contractor's individual corporation. There's no contractual arrangement involving the individual, nor can there be, as both the contractor and the pimp need that distance for tax and liability reasons.

Given the stability of the OP's ambitions I think he needs an actual job rather than a contract.

You're both wrong. Example job title (permanent, full-time): Senior Consultant, Cloud & Architecture although, it doesn't always have consultant in it.

DigitalGhost Jan 9th 2018 12:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414475)
You're both wrong. Example job title (permanent, full-time): Senior Consultant, Cloud & Architecture although, it doesn't always have consultant in it.

Which NOC category is that

dbd33 Jan 9th 2018 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12414467)
Very, very good point.

I love reading your posts btw. :lol:

Thanks, I aim to make serious points with minimal dullness, a struggle when dealing with computer job titles


Originally Posted by Matt88 (Post 12414467)

You're both wrong. Example job title: Senior Consultant, Cloud & Architecture although, it doesn't always have consultant in it.

I would assume that to be a permanent position dealing with displacing data and software to India at a pay rate higher than allowed by HR on the "Consultant, Cloud & Architecture" scale. Amirite?

hh619 Jan 9th 2018 12:13 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12414480)
Thanks, I aim to make serious points with minimal dullness, a struggle when dealing with computer job titles



I would assume that to be a permanent position dealing with displacing data and software to India at a pay rate higher than allowed by HR on the "Consultant, Cloud & Architecture" scale. Amirite?

Ha, not quite.


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