Immigration myths
Nov 1st 2004, 3:03 am
#16
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by iaink
Unions are very weak here, as is also true in the UK now. Law is generally stacked in the employers favour. Perhaps the only exception is the CAW. Labour law does not really touch on human rights. I was fired because "it wasnt working out" after more than two years in a job, and positive work reviews. 6 months later a colleage suffered the same fate. Started to see a pattern at that point and didnt wqorry about it so much. It was just politics, a new manager bringing in his cronies and shaking things up. Absolutely nothing I could do. Employment lawyer confirmed as much. But that would have never stood up in the UK, with no warnings. Fortunatly the company paid in excess of the legal minimuim compensation of one weeks pay for each year served!!! Also fortunately I walked back into my old job, so not too much harm done financially, but your confidendce takes a beating when it happens out of the blue.
http://www.lancasterhouse.com/suprem..._B%2CC%2CD.asp
Although I forget the exact details, I remember a human rights case in Alberta several years ago. Basically, the employer was a retailer whose most important sales period was during the Christmas season. The employee refused to work during the Christmas season because it was against his religious beliefs. Of course he was fired for insubordination. However, the employee complained to the Human Rights Commission and won his case!
Last edited by oceanMDX; Nov 1st 2004 at 3:28 am.
Nov 1st 2004, 7:55 am
#17
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by liftman
The UK armed forces call their weapon (The SA-80) the "civil servant"
It dosen't work and you can't fire it.
It dosen't work and you can't fire it.
I was a civil servant until yesterday. I am now unemployed. 
Nov 1st 2004, 12:54 pm
#18
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Re: Immigration myths
It should not be necessary to use human rights legislation to protect workers from unfair dismissal, that should be covered by labour laws. The comparison here was between the UK and Canada. If you havent experienced the situation in both places, its hard to know just how different the situation is between them. Job security in canada compared to the UK is extremely tenuous.
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
I won't disagree with you that it's harder to fire someone in the UK than in Canada. Nor will I disagree that labor laws in Canada tend to be employer friendly. However, I will disagree with you that unions here - in general - don't (or can't) enhance worker rights. I will also strongly disagree with your implication that employee rights are not enhanced by human rights legislation in Canada. More importantly, the Supreme Court of Canada disagrees with your view. Here's one example:
http://www.lancasterhouse.com/suprem..._B%2CC%2CD.asp
Although I forget the exact details, I remember a human rights case in Alberta several years ago. Basically, the employer was a retailer whose most important sales period was during the Christmas season. The employee refused to work during the Christmas season because it was against his religious beliefs. Of course he was fired for insubordination. However, the employee complained to the Human Rights Commission and won his case!
http://www.lancasterhouse.com/suprem..._B%2CC%2CD.asp
Although I forget the exact details, I remember a human rights case in Alberta several years ago. Basically, the employer was a retailer whose most important sales period was during the Christmas season. The employee refused to work during the Christmas season because it was against his religious beliefs. Of course he was fired for insubordination. However, the employee complained to the Human Rights Commission and won his case!
Nov 1st 2004, 1:59 pm
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by iaink
It should not be necessary to use human rights legislation to protect workers from unfair dismissal, that should be covered by labour laws. The comparison here was between the UK and Canada. If you havent experienced the situation in both places, its hard to know just how different the situation is between them. Job security in canada compared to the UK is extremely tenuous.
Your case really sucks, but there are good and bad employers everywhere. The North American business culture and laws, don't give you as much protection as you would have had in Europe.
I remember a news report regarding Europe (I think it was from Spain) that mentioned business was extremely reluctant to hire - despite a need - because once they hired someone, it was so expensive to ever lay them off or fire them. Whereas, in N.A., business would have gone on a hiring binge.
Last edited by oceanMDX; Nov 1st 2004 at 2:06 pm.
Nov 1st 2004, 11:11 pm
#20
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by Glaswegian
Your confidence in the Canadian way of doing things really takes a beating when you're on the sharp end of something like that.
Nov 2nd 2004, 1:03 pm
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by indybrit
You got that right!!!!!
Nov 2nd 2004, 2:25 pm
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Re: Immigration myths
Originally Posted by Glaswegian
NA employers are very much into "employee loyalty", all the while knowing that they can fire you at the drop of a hat ... "loyal employers" are nice to find.
