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Old Nov 30th 2012, 6:07 pm
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Just wanted to add another post and a warning on the subject of immigration documents.
I am a registered psychiatric nurse working in the community mental health
I have a case load of around 62 Canadian citizens who suffer from chronic schizophrenia
I am here in Canada on a work permit and activly applying for pernament residency
My work permit came up for renewal and I filled out the online documentation. When I pressed send, all the file uploaded. Problem was CIC immigration did not get all of the file and so rejected my renewal. they sent a letterstating that I had 90 days to renew. I then tried to boarder hop and get a work permit at the boarder. Big Big Big mistake. The boarder guards had me for breakfast nd was made to feel like a complete criminal. they gave me a visitors permit and told I can't re apply for 6 months
I am a registered mental health nurse and clinical case manager. My patients no longer have their worker and my employer can't find a replacement and have to pull some one out of retirment to cover. My work is very specialized and as such I feel very sore about the rediculous stance Canada takes with its professional workers. My health authority lost a doctor last month n the same circumstances and she returned back to the UK
I am trying desperatly to get reinstated. I have every document, LMO and letters from my health authority pleading that my job is so important to the lives of my patients. i have not even been able to hand them over to another person
I feel completely awful and can't believe Canada is so beaurocraticly incapable that they will cut off their nose to spite their face. its no wonder why people say that its the easiest country to get into but the hardest to stay in.
DO NOT USE THE ONLINE APPLICATION OPTION FOR IMMIGRATION
send it by paper you have to much to loose
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Old Nov 30th 2012, 6:25 pm
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From a fellow nurse albeit RGN I feel your pain I am waiting to start work and I can not believe the complete and utter inadequacy encased within the canadian system, I am contemplating going back to the UK and I have not even started, I wish you well and hope something gets sorted....
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Old Nov 30th 2012, 7:57 pm
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Same thing here wife works in hospital specialized field big waiting list.
Got letter of refusal for visa extension day after fellow work college took long term sick leave. Immigration don't give a monkeys. Sorted now but leaves a bad tast in your mouth
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Old Nov 30th 2012, 10:20 pm
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I hope it works out for you and for the sake of your patients that they still manage to get some semblance of decent care in the absence of such specialised skills.
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thanks
i just find the whole situation awful
I love living here but there is something very very wrong with immigration.
The border guard repeatedly drew to the fact that I was taking work away from Canadians.
I do not understand it. The Health Authority is set to loose 2000 nurses of the next few years, they are spending 1000's trying to recruit from the UK
I am english in Bitish Columbia. there are pictures of the queen on the walls and union jacks everywhere and I am not allowed to work, I can't even volunteer in case I take that oppertunity away from a Canadian. Yet the cancer society is struggling.
I am trying not to be negative but this country really pushes it and we all have to be all so bloody polite like a load of Stepford wives that we cant even have a dam good shout about it !!
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Old Nov 30th 2012, 11:50 pm
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worse thing is
if it all goes wrong our entire life goes wrong with it
we will leave pennyless and also have the huge problem of our little dog charlie
there is no way we can leave him
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Old Dec 1st 2012, 8:34 am
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Hmm, in your first post you mentioned that you had every document that you needed including an LMO?

Did you have that before or after you went to the border?

Assuming the LMO was still valid for support of a work permit:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...012/ob152A.asp

...then I can't see why you can't apply again before it expires. Assuming border staff were satisfied with all the requirements for supporting work permits:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...s/fw/index.asp

...then it is an odd state of affairs to say the least.
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Old Dec 1st 2012, 6:42 pm
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Did you try talking to your MP to speed up immigration? If the health authority is behind you, who knows, and if it doen't help at least it sends a signal. Your seems to be a unique situation where your patients have a personal relationship with you, so maybe there is some kind of exception possible? Just guessing?
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I really do sympathise with you. I know the Canadian immigration system is very slow at updating with changes especially with the ever changing demands for skills, and are probably the most bureaucratic set of idiots you are likely to come across.

Some years ago my past work colleagues and myself had the same problem and we had to return home and reapply for another work permit. Despite our application being recieved and signed for whilst our existing permit was current. Only to find out that the office had lost our application.

Within a month we were back working though as our employers who then were Chevron, pettitioned the immigration officers decision due to LMOs being satisfied. So they had no choice but to grant an extension due to the delays in the progress of the project that we were working on (profits being made for a corporate Canadian company). While our new applications were being processed.

This all happened in a similiar way as it did with you, except we had all been home for a holiday. Then on returning back to Canada we were pulled up and treat like illegal immigrants searching for work. They were even going to try and consficate our tools so we couldn't do any work, but we refused to disclose the actual depot where they were stored. And so they remained there until we started back at work.

I know that your profession is one that is highly skilled and takes a certain individual to carry out such duties. And my hat goes off to you or anyone like you doing a similiar role. And therefore its about time the immigration office should open its eyes and ears and lift its head up from the desk and see the real world. But I do honestly think if the organisation that you work for was a company involved in profit making or financial gain. They would give in to the pressure from your company and grant you an extension to your permit or issue a new one.

If all your paper work was in order it could be that they have miscontrued your intentions and made a mistake by being over zealous with their actions. You could challenge it by using the services of a Canadian lawyer based in Canada but it will cost you about $5000.00 +.

A friend of a friend of mine who is now resident in Canada, was detained by immigration officers in Calgary airport. Due to his dad being tugged by the immigration, probably for being a loan traveller when he came to visit him, and they didn't beleive him. He was told that because he only had a month left
on his TWP. He shouldn't be in Canada and couldn't continue working despite having a month left on his TWP? He had to call his Canadian wife out of work to prove he was married and had been living in Canada for over 6 years, despite not being a PR. But they still cancelled his TWP and told him he could no longer work and that he must return home in a months time. But could only return on a tourist stamp.

He used a lawyer from my old residence of Lethbridge, and it took about a fortnight to look into it and to get the decision overturned as the immigration officer had not followed the correct procedure and had been over zealous, but it cost him a few grand. I don't know the name of the lawyer but I'm sure there are many more scattered across Canada.

Anyway all the best and I hope you get to where you want to in life, it might be worth considering going down the path of using a lawyer. Or maybe just starting again in 6 months time, at least you will have a potential job lined up. Beats me where they get these time limits from? Almost as if their punishing you for wanting to work in Canada and making sure that you don't, despite the CIC website painting a rose garden and inviting people to work and emmigrate ther. Glad I'm out of it and only work when I'm bored.
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Old Dec 1st 2012, 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Siphorous
Hmm, in your first post you mentioned that you had every document that you needed including an LMO?

Did you have that before or after you went to the border?

Assuming the LMO was still valid for support of a work permit:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...012/ob152A.asp

...then I can't see why you can't apply again before it expires. Assuming border staff were satisfied with all the requirements for supporting work permits:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...s/fw/index.asp



...then it is an odd state of affairs to say the least.
Hi this is a time line of what happened

1 work permit came for renewel 12 August 2012
2 work permit completed and sent online July 25th health Authority provided all information as required except LMO as PR application just required a formal letter stating I was still employed (they got that wrong)

3 29th September refusal letter arrived
4 asked for and recieved full LMO got a whole package together including letters from health authority

5 went to boarder and had a nightmare with them
they accused me of working illegally as I had not terminated employment when i recieved the refusal letter
(the letter did not mention anything about stopping work other than having 90 days to submitt restoration + i believed I had implied status to work and my job is not one you can easily just stop)

6 boarder guards refused a work permit even though I have every concievable piece of required evidence and documenttin incliding an LMO

7 they issued me with a visitors permit

8 full restoration application submitted to Vegreville 29th October aand awaiting reply

hope this helps and to recap I have a full valid LMO I was penalized for going to work for two weeks after I recieved my refusal which did not give any instructions to the contrary
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Implied status is only valid until you receive a positive or negative response from CIC. Once you received a negative response, you were no longer on implied status and should have taken a leave of absence or temporary stoppage on your job. You were not permitted to work once you received the refusal.

Unfortunately, not knowing or being aware of the law doesn't help in this matter and the BSO's were correct in their assessment that you had been working illegally.

Hopefully you will get reinstatement and everything will work out ok in the end.



http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcen...asp?q=192&t=17

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Old Dec 1st 2012, 11:47 pm
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Implied status is only valid until you receive a positive or negative response from CIC. Once you received a negative response, you were no longer on implied status and should have taken a leave of absence or temporary stoppage on your job. You were not permitted to work once you received the refusal.

Unfortunately, not knowing or being aware of the law doesn't help in this matter and the BSO's were correct in their assessment that you had been working illegally.

Hopefully you will get reinstatement and everything will work out ok in the end.



http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcen...asp?q=192&t=17
its one hell of a trap to fall into though and immigration is loaded with them
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