I'm going home, i've done my time!!
Feb 18th 2011, 7:15 pm
#122
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
You seem to know everything! Perhaps you should be the one diagnosing autism! 
Forget all the months and months of assessments by pediatricians, psychologists, speech therapists, etc, they clearly don't know a thing - I should have asked you! But then again, by what you've said previously, my daughter and the OP's son probably don't have it since they've both progressed amazingly as they get older. 
Forget all the months and months of assessments by pediatricians, psychologists, speech therapists, etc, they clearly don't know a thing - I should have asked you! But then again, by what you've said previously, my daughter and the OP's son probably don't have it since they've both progressed amazingly as they get older.
Feb 18th 2011, 7:25 pm
#123
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
Your absolutely right, they learn to cope with things they couldn't as a child as they understand more and get used to stuff. Desensitization I think they call it!!
My son couldn't cope with going in supermarkets when he was young and we had to throw him over our shoulders and carry him out kicking and screaming and punching us, however, today he loves going shopping. I give him a list and he goes and gets the stuff!
He made me laugh yesterday...I said to him "what have you done at school today", "cooking" he said, "oh what did you make?", I asked, "noodles" he said (thats pasta in Canada), "oh, what did you make with it?", and he listed a load of stuff off like garlic, tomatoes etc, "oh that sounds nice, did you save me some", "no", he said, "i ate it!"
That is something he would never have done before we came to Canada, he ate all the cinnamon biscuits he made and loves making sugar cookies and his favorite chocolate cake!
I can't wait until my daughter is able to tell me more about what she's been up to at school too! We're working on her understanding of abstract things and time concepts... she's getting better and better at it all the time! 
Feb 18th 2011, 7:41 pm
#124
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
You seem to know everything! Perhaps you should be the one diagnosing autism! Forget all the months and months of assessments by pediatricians, psychologists, speech therapists, etc, they clearly don't know a thing - I should have asked you! But then again, by what you've said previously, my daughter and the OP's son probably don't have it since they've both progressed amazingly as they get older.
Forget all the months and months of assessments by pediatricians, psychologists, speech therapists, etc, they clearly don't know a thing - I should have asked you! But then again, by what you've said previously, my daughter and the OP's son probably don't have it since they've both progressed amazingly as they get older.
Feb 18th 2011, 7:46 pm
#125
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
The point is that not all those diagnosed with Autism do get better. Canada recruits immigrants to improve the economy and CIC have medical requirements to ensure people coming here for economic reasons are a net gain, not a burden, so sometimes hard decisions are made. Seems Autism is not well enough defined in the likely demands across the spectrum but as it stands no IO is going to allow someone with an Autistic child to come here for the reasons laid out above. There are too many other people for them to pick from instead. Is it any different to refusing admission to someone with a criminal record for something they are not ever going to repeat, or who is in remission from cancer?
Its not equal or fair, it sucks for the OP, but then immigration isnt there to ensure that a random cross section of society is admitted, they are there to cherry pick. Is it prejudice? You could argue that the whole idea of having people filter the applicants for PR rather than have first come first serve is prejudiced.
Its not equal or fair, it sucks for the OP, but then immigration isnt there to ensure that a random cross section of society is admitted, they are there to cherry pick. Is it prejudice? You could argue that the whole idea of having people filter the applicants for PR rather than have first come first serve is prejudiced.
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Feb 18th 2011, 7:56 pm
#126
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
The point is that not all those diagnosed with Autism do get better. Canada recruits immigrants to improve the economy and CIC have medical requirements to ensure people coming here for economic reasons are a net gain, not a burden, so sometimes hard decisions are made. Seems Autism is not well enough defined in the likely demands across the spectrum but as it stands no IO is going to allow someone with an Autistic child to come here for the reasons laid out above. There are too many other people for them to pick from instead. Is it any different to refusing admission to someone with a criminal record for something they are not ever going to repeat, or who is in remission from cancer?
Its not equal or fair, it sucks for the OP, but then immigration isnt there to ensure that a random cross section of society is admitted, they are there to cherry pick. Is it prejudice? You could argue that the whole idea of having people filter the applicants for PR rather than have first come first serve is prejudiced.
Its not equal or fair, it sucks for the OP, but then immigration isnt there to ensure that a random cross section of society is admitted, they are there to cherry pick. Is it prejudice? You could argue that the whole idea of having people filter the applicants for PR rather than have first come first serve is prejudiced.
I don't think ANY diagnosed with autism get better. Some learn to adapt better but fundamenatly they are still the same.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:07 pm
#127
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
well saidDo alcoholics ever say, i was an alcoholic but i'm not now...no they say I'm am an alcoholic but i've been sober for blah blah blah...they know what they are as do many with ASD and accept it and learn how to cope with things!
Feb 18th 2011, 8:21 pm
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
Either way, if I was an IO, why would I take any chance on allowing in someone who might end up costing the government in support. Its their job to err on the side of caution. Its not like there is a dearth of other applicants.
It sounds harsh, but their job is to protect Canadas interests, not promote "neuro diversity". It sucks for the OP, and I hope it all goes well for them from here on in.
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Feb 18th 2011, 8:29 pm
#129
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
Its such a coverall term, and there is always the possibility of misdiagnosis.
Either way, if I was an IO, why would I take any chance on allowing in someone who might end up costing the government in support. Its their job to err on the side of caution. Its not like there is a dearth of other applicants.
It sounds harsh, but there job is to protect Canadas interests, not promote "neuro diversity". It sucks for the OP, and I hope it all goes well for them from here on in.
Either way, if I was an IO, why would I take any chance on allowing in someone who might end up costing the government in support. Its their job to err on the side of caution. Its not like there is a dearth of other applicants.
It sounds harsh, but there job is to protect Canadas interests, not promote "neuro diversity". It sucks for the OP, and I hope it all goes well for them from here on in.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:30 pm
#130
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
I think that arguing with some IT businessman bloke about whether your child is autistic or not is pointless.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:44 pm
#131
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
I think that arguing with some IT businessman bloke about whether your child is autistic or not is pointless.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
I bet you feel a right idiot now. I believe an apology is in order.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:46 pm
#132
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
This is a classic example of the confusion that arises on the internet due to the anonymity of the posters. I hope dbd finds it as funny as I do, otherwise it would be offensive.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:47 pm
#133
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
I think that arguing with some IT businessman bloke about whether your child is autistic or not is pointless.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
You clearly know a lot more than he does about it from a personal perspective; he likes arguing, that's what he does and he's good at it.
Best of luck to your family, your story does not sound a happy one.
Feb 18th 2011, 8:48 pm
#134
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Re: I'm going home, i've done my time!!
Perhaps this is the sort of thing the immigration people hope to avoid. Imagine the outrage in Edinburgh if it was a newly-landed Romanian child that the council suddenly had to fund.
