How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up since July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true about this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about the IT job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am really worry about the job and career there.

Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why the people not go there for a fortune?

Any input are welcome.
Thank you.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

Things are still pretty bad for all sectors, as far as I know in TO. The IT sector is
still in limbo and no change in view. Chances of finding a job are very slim. I know
a lot of people who after one year are still looking for a job. And most of them are
Canadians with Canadian education and experience. As for those who still have a job,
business is generally soft and more layoffs and business closures are occurring every
day. I would not land now but would advice to wait a couple of years.

"booky8" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up since
    > July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with
    > 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting
    > outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true about
    > this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about the IT
    > job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am really worry
    > about the job and career there.
    >
    > Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why
    > the people not go there for a fortune?
    >
    > Any input are welcome. Thank you.
    >
    >
    >
    > --

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

and like they said there is low unemployment in places in alberta, the problem is
that almost all the new immigrants immediatley go to Toronto/vancouver/montreal, so
the job markets are saturated there with immigrants. this is why the immigration
minister was trying to think up some way to get immigrants to spread out a bit. i
know several people who have headed to Calgary area and said it is really nice there
and not too hard to find a job.

"JP Jehu" <jpjehuhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Things are still pretty bad for all sectors, as far as I know in TO. The
IT
    > sector is still in limbo and no change in view. Chances of finding a job
are
    > very slim. I know a lot of people who after one year are still looking for
a
    > job. And most of them are Canadians with Canadian education and
experience.
    > As for those who still have a job, business is generally soft and more layoffs and
    > business closures are occurring every day. I would not land
now
    > but would advice to wait a couple of years.
    >
    > "booky8" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up
    > > since July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with
    > > 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting
    > > outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true
    > > about this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about
    > > the IT job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am
    > > really worry about the job and career there.
    > >
    > > Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why
    > > the people not go there for a fortune?
    > >
    > > Any input are welcome. Thank you.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    >

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

There's little point in going to Toronto right now...there are already thousands of other immigrants there who are unemployed in the IT business. This industry is flat world-wide right now, in Canada its especially bad since canada has so many immigrants that its job market is particularly flooded.

You might try landing in an area outside of Toronto where the job market is a little less saturated.....you might think about changing career though, IT isn't a good place to be.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

British Columbia sucks big time at the moment for IT unless you have every cert under
the sun and 5 years experience.

Vancouver is saturated as well as Victoria with Techs , programmers and web
developers. There are a few tech schools that keep pumping out grads into a market
where there is no such thing as entry level positions any more.

The people that do get hired end up being payed 8 bucks an hour for tech support.

If you have all the certs imaginable and at least 5 years of experience in most of
the certs you hold then the chances of getting a job are better.

"booky8" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up since
    > July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with
    > 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting
    > outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true about
    > this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about the IT
    > job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am really worry
    > about the job and career there.
    >
    > Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why
    > the people not go there for a fortune?
    >
    > Any input are welcome. Thank you.
    >
    >
    >
    > --

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

booky8 <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up since
    > July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with
    > 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting
    > outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true about
    > this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about the IT
    > job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am really worry
    > about the job and career there.
    >
    > Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why
    > the people not go there for a fortune?
    >
    > Any input are welcome. Thank you.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
Times are tough here. All those postings are just resume harvesting with bogus
jobs. Canada never had a booming IT industry like the US or even India... in the
first place.

When you come you will meet several hundred jobless skilled immigrants especially
IT guys (from hardware, to software, embedded, erp, etc.).. and you risk being
turned into one.

The skilled program is a cover story for Canada's need for factory workers just to
keeping the taxes rolling in to cover the expensive medical bills of people like
Andrew Miller and several other people...etc.

Since u can stay out for 3 years, I suggest you use that. I gave up a good job and
ended in shit here. (I can here people saying now.. that immigration is not about
finding the job u want.. rather making a better living. Yeah, there are very little
odd jobs even. Some better life this shit is..).

good luck.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

    > coming up since July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a
    > factory with 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and
    > start waiting outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is
    > that true about this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now.
Horrible... it is your worst nightmare mate. I am UK educated, US experienced,
+ certifications... I am a cleaner in Toronto... The factory thing is true..
Recently, a security electronics equipment factory close to Yorkdale mall
advertised for 300 positions. It is as you described several 100s turned up. They
stayed overnight.. within a couple of hours all 300 positions filled up.

    >How about the IT job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I
    >am really worry about the job and career there.
If you are facing political persecution in your country, then come to Canada as a
refugee since Canada accepts genuine refugees. Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.
Wait for three years and then try. Hopefully the economy will improve. IT field is
getting desecrated everywhere in Canada.. especially the big cities.

I know u must be saying at the back of your mind..'but, but it just might work for
me' or 'people are coming to Canada in containers, so when I get a visa given to me,
why should I not go there' or 'but God might just give me a chance'... (God in Canada
is the US economy...!!!)

These are the thoughts that go through every would be immigrant.. and most of them
end up scavenging..

good luck.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

The job scenario is hellish.

Getting a good job (the type of jobs people who go to America get) is simply impossible in canada(for a person without a canadian degree), odds being roughly the same as winning a lottery.

Its common knowledge that Toronto has the most highly educated taxi drivers in the world.

People who worked as respectable doctors, engineers ,CAs in their home country end updriving cabs here, and they are the relatively lucky ones. The unlucky ones end up scrubbing floors or washing vessels in restaurant kitchens.

Whether u will be better off in canada or not depends primarily from where u r coming from:

If u currently live in india pakistan then inspite of hardships here i still think u will be MUCH BETTER OFF living in canada, at least 10 to 15 times better off (esp if u have young kids - children lead heavenly lives over here, unlike kids in india who's life is a living hell thanks to an insanely idiotic education system). On the other hand if u presently live in say UK australia middle east then i really dont think its worthwhile coming to canada, at least not untill the economy picks up.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

[email protected] (CasualtyOfImmigration) wrote:
    >Times are tough here. All those postings are just resume harvesting with bogus jobs.

True enough.

    >Canada never had a booming IT industry like the US or even India... in the
    >first place.

This is patently *not* true since I *easily* found work from 1995 through 2001. It
was hardest in 1999 but even then I hardly tried and still found something. In my
view Canada is in recession and IT is for most companies a luxury. Also the fact that
almost everybody who comes to Canada these days is in IT the market is absolutely
flooded. And lastly, Canada was *just* as badly, even perhaps worse involved in the
ridiculous internet boom and bust. The people who came over from India etc during
this boom are still there, further depressing the market. Personally I think IT
should be closed as a "needed skill" until the market catches up. In any event, when
the gravy train ran out for me, I bolted since it was obvious that even *if* I could
get a new job it would be at *way* reduced salary rates and Toronto is ridiculously
expensive as is. Glad to be out. In three years or so I might give it another go. Not
now, no how.

testing

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

[email protected] (Jason Brown) wrote in message
news:<[email protected] om>...
    > > coming up since July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a
    > > factory with 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and
    > > start waiting outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is
    > > that true about this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now.
    > Horrible... it is your worst nightmare mate. I am UK educated, US experienced,
    > + certifications... I am a cleaner in Toronto... The factory thing is true..
    > Recently, a security electronics equipment factory close to Yorkdale mall
    > advertised for 300 positions. It is as you described several 100s turned up. They
    > stayed overnight.. within a couple of hours all 300 positions filled up.
    >
    > >How about the IT job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but
    > >I am really worry about the job and career there.
    > If you are facing political persecution in your country, then come to Canada as a
    > refugee since Canada accepts genuine refugees. Otherwise, you are asking for
    > trouble. Wait for three years and then try. Hopefully the economy will improve. IT
    > field is getting desecrated everywhere in Canada.. especially the big cities.
    >
    >
    > I know u must be saying at the back of your mind..'but, but it just might work for
    > me' or 'people are coming to Canada in containers, so when I get a visa given to
    > me, why should I not go there' or 'but God might just give me a chance'... (God in
    > Canada is the US economy...!!!)
    >
    > These are the thoughts that go through every would be immigrant.. and most of them
    > end up scavenging..
    >
    > good luck.

Fantastic post mate.......whatever u say is true....GOD in Canada is the US economy!!

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

IF you are in IT and have Experience in Teaching you will not have problems to get a job in Toronto.

Here is a case for you:
One of my friend who was Network engineer, 11 years Exp (India 8 years US 3 years) landed in Canada, Toronto Feb 2002 and with in 2 months he got a job as Computer Instructor 25 $ hour in Private Computer Institutes and then he taught in different computer Institutes and networked with students and recently opened his Computer training institute.
His Certifications:
MCSE 2000, MCSE NT.4, MCT, CNI, CNE.5, CCNA,

I hope if one try for alternatives one can get a job in Toronto or create it for self.

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

Mr. thomas_cook,

Being from India, I can very certainly say that the school system in India is very
good. In fact, the IIT's and the IIM's are known all over as world class. As for high
schools, Central schools and state-run schools are very well run. Way better or as
well as any public school system in the US, for example. Please do not trash the
Indian school system like this.

I surely can understand your frustration in this weak economy. Many of us are in the
same boat.

Rags


"thomas_cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > The job scenario is hellish.
    > Getting a good job (the type of jobs people who go to America get) is simply
    > impossible in canada(for a person without a canadian degree), odds being roughly
    > the same as winning a lottery.
    > Its common knowledge that Toronto has the most highly educated taxi drivers in
    > the world.
    > People who worked as respectable doctors, engineers ,CAs in their home country end
    > updriving cabs here, and they are the relatively lucky ones. The unlucky ones end
    > up scrubbing floors or washing vessels in restaurant kitchens.
    > Whether u will be better off in canada or not depends primarily from where u r
    > coming from:
    > If u currently live in india pakistan then inspite of hardships here i still think
    > u will be MUCH BETTER OFF living in canada, at least 10 to 15 times better off
    > (esp if u have young kids - children lead heavenly lives over here, unlike kids in
    > india who's life is a living hell thanks to an insanely idiotic education system).
    > On the other hand if u presently live in say UK australia middle east then i
    > really dont think its worthwhile coming to canada, at least not untill the economy
    > picks up.
    > --

*I hope if one try for alternatives one can get a job in Toronto or create it for self.** Well said Manish.

Thats how you can make the economy moving.

I think where there is a will there is a way.. Even in Greenland and I think Toronto is much better ..

Optimist New Comer to Toronto

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    > *I hope if one try for alternatives one can get a job in Toronto or create it for
    > self.** Well said Manish.
    > Thats how you can make the economy moving.
    > I think where there is a will there is a way.. Even in Greenland and I think
    > Toronto is much better ..

Pretty positive! :)

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Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

The job market in general is not good due to the slow down of economy. So, demand for
new projects is low and is the job market. People with strong skills will still be
in demand. But, for standard common skills, do not expect a job the second day you
land. I know someone who has about 7 years of experience (business + IT). He could
not get a job in Canada after an extensive one-month job search. He is a consultant.
The other problem is that Toronto seems the target of lots of new immigrants. You
might consider looking for a job in some other places too.


Manish <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > IF you are in IT and have Experience in Teaching you will not have problems to get
    > a job in Toronto.
    > Here is a case for you: One of my friend who was Network engineer, 11 years Exp
    > (India 8 years US 3 years) landed in Canada, Toronto Feb 2002 and with in 2 months
    > he got a job as Computer Instructor 25 $ hour in Private Computer Institutes and
    > then he taught in different computer Institutes and networked with students and
    > recently opened his Computer training institute. His Certifications: MCSE 2000,
    > MCSE NT.4, MCT, CNI, CNE.5, CCNA,
    > I hope if one try for alternatives one can get a job in Toronto or create it
    > for self.
    > --

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

    > - --
    > SEX is like SOFTWARE - It's better when it's free ... [c] L.Torvalds

SEX is like SOFTWARE - It's better when it's free of Aids (bugs)!!

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

Thomas, Could you please explain to us how did you rank the the Middle East along
with Australia and the UK?? (in terms of, if you presently live there, then it's not
worthwhile coming to Canada).

Thanks, Hani.

thomas_cook <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > The job scenario is hellish.
    > Getting a good job (the type of jobs people who go to America get) is simply
    > impossible in canada(for a person without a canadian degree), odds being roughly
    > the same as winning a lottery.
    > Its common knowledge that Toronto has the most highly educated taxi drivers in
    > the world.
    > People who worked as respectable doctors, engineers ,CAs in their home country end
    > updriving cabs here, and they are the relatively lucky ones. The unlucky ones end
    > up scrubbing floors or washing vessels in restaurant kitchens.
    > Whether u will be better off in canada or not depends primarily from where u r
    > coming from:
    > If u currently live in india pakistan then inspite of hardships here i still think
    > u will be MUCH BETTER OFF living in canada, at least 10 to 15 times better off
    > (esp if u have young kids - children lead heavenly lives over here, unlike kids in
    > india who's life is a living hell thanks to an insanely idiotic education system).
    > On the other hand if u presently live in say UK australia middle east then i
    > really dont think its worthwhile coming to canada, at least not untill the economy
    > picks up.
    > --

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

This is such an interesting discussion.

What about Nova Scotia? I know that this is one of the most gorgeous places to live
in (both in terms of the beauty of the place, and the people over there).

Is this a totally dead area job-wise (IT in particular)?

Thanks, Hani.


booky8 <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > I search the online job site, seems there are a lot of new IT jobs coming up since
    > July. But I also heard a news that when 150 jobs opening in a factory with
    > 8.15/hour salary, there are a few hundred people applying for and start waiting
    > outside the factory from 3am in the morning. It sounds horrible. Is that true about
    > this kind of story, is it that hard to find a job in Toronto now. How about the IT
    > job in software developemnt? I am going to Canada very soon, but I am really worry
    > about the job and career there.
    > Also seems Alberta has the lowest unemploy rate? what make it this lucky, and why
    > the people not go there for a fortune?
    > Any input are welcome. Thank you.
    > --

The standard of living in cities like Dubai is extremely high. Being a tax free country, the United Arab Emirates is very rich, with lots of services and luxury, that one can't even find in the US.
Also being an expat here, you could earn much more money than any other western country.
Many people come to this place to put money aside and enjoy an incomparable luxury.
Of course, this place has its drawbacks. There is no culture, and your rights are slightly more limited than anywhere else. You can't own your house. But for a short term plan, living in Dubai is not bad at all, if not excellent.


MS

Hi Rags
Regarding ur reply to my post, I really meant that the indian education system places a heavy burden on young children.
In addition to school , they have to attend tuitions , then do school h/w then tuition h/w then study till late into the night, constantly face tests, exams,..All this at a v young age.All this stress leaves the child physically & mentally exhausted.Dont u agree this is unnecc stress that can be avoided?
U wrote about IIT, IIm but do rem that india is a nation of 1 billion people. Just a handful of good institutues is not enough.
U said that schools in india r better then schools in USA.my dear, let me tell u that a class in a school in india has 60 -75 students not 20 students as in USA.Also the teachers r least interested in doing agood job. Schoolbuses here r not anything at all like what u have in the states.Not that i am complaining, i mean what else can u expect in a poor country when education is almost free.
So do u mind telling me how on earth u believe schools in india r better than US schools?

Re: How's the IT job market in Toronto now?
 

thomas_cook <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > Hi Rags Regarding ur reply to my post, I really meant that the indian education
    > system places a heavy burden on young children. In addition to school , they have
    > to attend tuitions , then do school
    > h/w then tuition h/w then study till late into the night, constantly face tests,
    > exams,..All this at a v young age.All this stress leaves the child physically &
    > mentally exhausted.Dont u agree this is unnecc stress that can be avoided? U
    > wrote about IIT, IIm but do rem that india is a nation of 1 billion people. Just
    > a handful of good institutues is not enough. U said that schools in india r
    > better then schools in USA.my dear, let me tell u that a class in a school in
    > india has 60 -75 students not 20 students as in USA.Also the teachers r least
    > interested in doing agood job. Schoolbuses here r not anything at all like what u
    > have in the states.Not that i am complaining, i mean what else can u expect in a
    > poor country when education is almost free. So do u mind telling me how on earth
    > u believe schools in india r better than US schools?

Thomas, I agree with you, schools in India do have 60-70 ppl in a class and the
education system is rather bad in India. There is one thing however which I would
like to point out, and that is the big "digital divide" One hand we have some schools
colleges which are elite and excellent and on the other hand we have poor school. so
it really depends on how much you earn! Some Engineering institutes are the best in
the world! but only a few people can afford them. So I belive that education is very
nice for some and in some institutions but very very bad in some and sadly the
percentage of bad schools is higher. Its about 80%

Cheers KKS