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Re: how are dogs percieved???
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Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 8523119)
Access to countryside, and the necessity use a leash depends very much where you live. All the city public parks/greenspace here require dogs to be on a leash, though specific dog exercise park spaces do not. This area is blessed with crown land directly off many people's property, or within a short drive, where space and freedom for dogs to run around is pretty much unlimited.
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8523441)
So lions have less rights than dogs?
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by kate 17
(Post 8523459)
Yes, I would say so. Lions have not been domesticated have they. they are still operating on the law of the jungle where humans could be dinner.
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by kate 17
(Post 8523362)
If someone doesn't like dogs that is their problem not the dogs a bus is big enough for them to move away. Where I live dogs are not allowed on the bus at any time anyway.
There would have to be seriously something mentally wrong with a person to object to a dog on a bus Allergies are rare, so don't bring that up. I have never heard of anyone having an anaphylactic reaction to a dog. sneezing doesn't count. I am allergic to dogs, my kids are allergic to dogs. Funny thing is, I do like dogs but I also like being able to breathe. |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 8523234)
Having worked for an airline, yes snub nosed dogs have more issues, while the belly is heated and pressurized it gets very stuffy, poor circulation of air, combine this with an animal with a snub nose and the altitude pressures not a good mix for snub nosed dogs.
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by kate 17
(Post 8523362)
If someone doesn't like dogs that is their problem not the dogs a bus is big enough for them to move away. Where I live dogs are not allowed on the bus at any time anyway.
I should imagine gettin on the bus with a wet dog would not be appreciated by many, dont forget those who are genuinly scared of dogs for whatever their reason, i suppose depending on what the dog was - if it was what i call a pit dog, those lil things tucked under your arm or in a bag, then i suppose it would be ok as wouldnt be in the way, but i wouldnt dream of taking mine on the bus - they'd be drooling an fartin an would be chaotic - plus they wouldnt be able to get there heads out of the windows! (which before any comments from anyone i am jokin) There would have to be seriously something mentally wrong with a person to object to a dog on a bus, you have to admit this is a ridiculous statement to make allergies are rare, so don't bring that up. I have never heard of anyone having an anaphylactic reaction to a dog. sneezing doesn't count. it was me that mentioned allergies and i should think that although, as you mentioned never hearing anyone having an anaphylactic reaction, which granted i couldnt find any info on its irrelevent, to those who are allergic it is most definitly worth bringin up, i'm sure the symptoms are still not pleasant; http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+2082&aid=145 You are putting the rights of someone objecting, a stranger on a bus over the rights of your dog. That's not right! well people have more rights than animals regardless what they are - of course we all love our pets but people will always have more rights. I don't think you should be making the dog heel on a trail either, if he's well behaved what is the problem? To me thats over controlling. I don't like to see pets or kids being over controlled. its obvious you are a dog lover which is great an you are obviously a big softie when it comes to them which is lovely, but sometimes common sense has to overide that. |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by scottandsel
(Post 8522774)
hi Joe an thanks for that .. jus had a look at there website and found this;
Animals Canadian Affair DO NOT allow the carriage of live animals as cargo on Thomas Cook Airlines or Air Transat flights. I have flown mine before with thomson an they jus insisted due to the short snout they must have ventilation both ends of the crate but then it was only a 4 hour flight i have emailed canadian affair for more info. i know a lot of airlines dont like flying british bulldogs an the like, just covering themselves as it is a long flight and knowing the breathin probs they can have fair enough so knowin the english bulls are lil solid muscle machines how much did yours cost to get out there, our boxers are pretty lightweight at 28 and 32 kilo's so i'm expectin in the region of about £2000 |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
my dog story
they both had a rabies shot (well 2 as our vets view is that 1 should work but just in case it doesn't its best to have the 2nd a few weeks later to ensure they are covered - also charge you 2 x as much) each shot was 25 squid per dog. . . cages / travel crate thing - one I got off ebay, the other via a pet place again on line. You put them together . . .v simple - I could do it alone! One of the ebay sellers, plus also BA i think have bits on their web sites that shows you how big the cage needs to be - basically it needs to be taller than them standing up nad they need to be aboe to turn round - scoobs ended up with a "Giant" one. Air Transat were the cheapest by far and it was all v simple. I got the dogs checked by our vet on the Tuesday before we flew on the wed and got a "fit to fly" letter for both - again more money - 30 squid each. Air T charged 695 for BOTH dogs - had to get to cargo - they told me where . 4 hrs before flight - had to write the air freight number etc on the crates, towels and newspaper inside etc. . . went to cargo, signed and paid and left them . . . at other end. . . got the paper work stamped by customs etc and some other bits and paid them$30 ish. Then drove to cargo and collected the dogs who were v v v pleased to see us - paid then $60 and that was it . . . chap was Dave Swift at Air T cargo - TS Clipper I think is there company name oh yes what i did was look what flight we were interested in then rang cargo and made sure I could book them on that flight . . then booked the flights for us and then rang cargo back to confirm we were all on . . . . David: [email protected] 01784 431831 |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
(Post 8523793)
At / TC / Canadaian Affair do take dogs but its via the cargo arm . .so its not on the resi web site. . . I have the link somewhere - will dig it out :)
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by kate 17
(Post 8523409)
I'm just giving you my opinion on dogs they should have rights too in this world of ours! I knew that if I "said people might object to dogs on busses
that someone would mention, "well what about people with allergies". Yes but that someone wasn't me, yet you made it sound as though it was and your still putting that ball in my court! You are so keen on respecting other peoples views! What about mine? Yours seem to be in favour of yourself and your dogs, if they were more well rounded views then I would respect them more. Most people are not afraid of dogs, most other dogs don't attack so you think I have a screw loose, I think you're paranoid. No not paranoid, just experienced. I have been a dog owner for 4 years, I have a biggish dog (Chow Chow), he has a big bark, some people have been wary/scared of him, until they meet him, I'm lucky I have a laid back chow, other chows are not so good with people, which is where the percieved fear comes from. As for being attacked - three times in four years, one was so bad a neighbout had to come to the rescue. As for generally meeting small dogs on the trails - they always want to 'have a go' with Henry, we move off pretty quick. You started this not me. Err no I didn't My dear dog died 2 years ago and I still miss her badly. I love it when other peoples dogs come up and greet me. I'm truly sorry for your loss, I dread the day my Henry crosses the bridge, but again, I would say 50% of people we meet out walking, don't want anything to do with my dog. I have seen humans go wee on busses what about sitting in that? I also want to say, I love my dog, he is a huge part of my life as other posters know, I can talk about him all day, I love him to bits. BUT before I got Henry, I didn't 'get' the whole dog thing, yeah I was upset when my tortoises and hamsters died when I was a kid, I will be mortified when Henry goes but I also under stand that he is my dog to love and I can't expect everybody else to love him to, I don't love everybody elses dog, yes there are some I'm fond of and I do get annoyed at pointless animal cruelty and with people that have no idea about a dogs need but to put a dog above and beyond is pushing the boundaries really. |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8523478)
So, what about dog breeds known to be inherently more aggressive?
Alan, No if a dog is unstable it shouldn't be on the bus.Same as unstable people really! Although I would not bat an eyelid if someones rottie or pitbull was on the bus with me as long as it wasn't snarling and foaming at the mouth. Chookie, I was in London for two weeks last September. I was on the underground at rush hour. I know packed like Sardines (Great Radiohead song)! There were guide dogs at times and somehow the dear old Brits made room for them and I didn't see anyone have an asthma attack. I am sorry for my seriously mental unstable remark. I just wouldn't like a person who did object without a very good reason....Sometimes I can be a drama queen:blink: Scottandsel, Piff Poff, Ok I take your points, a big dog like a boxer or a chow can look menacing. It's just that In this country I would like a bit more freedom for dogs. They look so happy when they are running free. In Cornwall last year, we were walking the Cliff paths and saw loads of dogs off leash with their owners. It's much more accepted there. Then there was wonderful UK story about a Jack Russel, who waited at the bus stop on his own and went a few stops to a pub a few miles away to spend the day. The drivers always stopped for him and took him back the same way. That would never happen in this country. Everybody, loved that dog, bus and pub patrons. |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by bananahammock
(Post 8523445)
Yep, it does depend on where you are ... mine is usually attached to a long retractable leash but I took her to the local fish hatchery today where they don't mind well behaved mutts :) ... she does look a bit 'psycho' tho :D
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by Piff Poff
(Post 8524649)
I would say 50% of people we meet out walking, don't want anything to do with my dog.
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Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by kate 17
(Post 8524726)
Although I would not bat an eyelid if someones rottie or pitbull was on the bus with me as long as it wasn't snarling and foaming at the mouth.
I love dogs but would poo my pants if the latter happened and would be very uncomfortable. Some people have phobias relating to dogs (irrational fear or anxiety). Some people have reactions (skin, sneezing, etc) relating to dogs. Some transport business owners might even be worried about the potential for dogs to do a huge poo on their property. The same business owners may also be worried that a dog could attack a customer through fear, aggression, or simple defence. You may love dogs, it's ok that others do not. Rules are rules and in the same vein that smokers, i imagine, would love to have a cig on a flight, non smokers are happy that this is not possible. Finally, just because something is set-up in a way that you believe is silly or incorrect does not necessarily make it silly or incorrect. |
Re: how are dogs percieved???
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8524937)
And if a person sat beside you on the bus with a snake or a huge spider, for example?
I love dogs but would poo my pants if the latter happened and would be very uncomfortable. Some people have phobias relating to dogs (irrational fear or anxiety). Some people have reactions (skin, sneezing, etc) relating to dogs. Some transport business owners might even be worried about the potential for dogs to do a huge poo on their property. The same business owners may also be worried that a dog could attack a customer through fear, aggression, or simple defence. You may love dogs, it's ok that others do not. Rules are rules and in the same vein that smokers, i imagine, would love to have a cig on a flight, non smokers are happy that this is not possible. Finally, just because something is set-up in a way that you believe is silly or incorrect does not necessarily make it silly or incorrect. Also my hounds are large- I know they are fine - BUT they can look bloody scary - peeps give us a wide berth sometimes - in rush hour that could choas on the bus. PS with regard Guide / assistance dogs, that is a totally different matter- people know that such dogs are assistance dogs and are trained to be passive! Also they would be discriminating against people with disabilities if they refused them entry! |
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