How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
There is absolutely no support for education from the locals or the kid's families. Why not? Because, presumably, they see nothing to be gained from a 'formal' (white man's) education. Could it not lead to anything else? Could the education be taylored better (but you could ask why should it be?)
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
In BC there has, so far, been one successful settlement with the Nisga people. This involved transferring a substantial (and sustainable) tract of land, together with all the rights to economic exploitation, to the Nisga and establishing a third level of government - effectively self-rule within their land. Of course, it helps that BC is so huge with lots of land the white man doesn't need. I can't imagine the same thing happening in Vancouver!
The BC premier, Gordon Campbell has had some sort of epiphany during his term as leader. He started out as as very anti rights for First Nations, but has now become a firm supporter of the treaty settlement process.
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
... I am sure that some of their ancestors took "their" land from other "tribes" at some point in the past - or are you seriously suggesting that they were all transported in a vacuum to the locations the settlors found them in independent of all others around them ?
Not that it would matter. Even if they had displaced a race of Neanderthals, the current situation would not suddenly become acceptable as a consequence.
To me it is the position they find themselves in now is analogous to the young, single, benefit dependent youngsters in the UK: whilst they have someone to blame for their "situation", they can absolve themselves of all responsibility for the situation they find themselves in.
If we want to find an accommodation with the the First Nations that fits into our notions of a modern, first world, Canada we have to give them the tools to do it. As a starter, we have to ensure that their future leaders have access to "our" education system and "our" universities so we can learn to speak a common language. I think that subsidizing university education for First Nations people (which is where we were a few pages ago in this discussion) is a very positive step forward.
I would like to know how many of them manage to extricate themselves from what would appear to be a vicious circle of birth, poor education, early parenthood, premature death etc notwithstanding the exemptions they achieve through their status.
The whole "you stole our land" in my opinion is complete poppycock - unless of course we are all transported back to the days when we had to co-exist with dinosaurs
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
(sorry silly point to pick on but my 5 year old would be distressed at such a suggestion )
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
How do you deal with racism anywhere in the World? a rather strange thread, is racism dealt with differently anywhere you live?
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
I have heard comments from Canadians about people of different race or background that were never going to be said in the presence of a person of that other race. On the other hand, some comments are pretty direct - I was targeted for criticism for being an immigrant by a second generation Canadian - and others are a complete communicaiton breakdown - I came across one exchange that was like watching a scene from Little Britain (I'm thinking of the weight club sketches) except it was an exchange between white Canadian and a non-white Canadian.
Edit: and just to even it up, I've heard plenty of racist droppings from immigrants too.
Last edited by acer rose; Feb 23rd 2008 at 11:58 pm. Reason: see above
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
So I am a total failure as a red neck.
Cheers
Steve
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
I'm actually having issues with what I term reverse-racism what with the afro-centric schools etc. that are planned. Just seems like minorities are being given more rights than others at some points to compensate for the idiots in society who try take other rights from them. I'm not sure how we can drone on about everyone being equal while treating people differently?
Ruby
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
It seems to me that MOST of you are ignorant about the real problems that the Aboriginals are causing. Yes I said causing problems.
You seem to think that they are victims. Not by a long shot. Many of them are using OUR money, to sue US thru OUR courts. The Natives have NO money that wasn't given to them by some level of Government. And of course we all KNOW that Governments have no money, except that which was collected by them from US, the gullible taxpayers.
I have lived in Canada all my life, and my ancestors came here over 200 years ago. I'm entitled to make a few points.
The Natives are being encouraged to "claim back their land ". Right...... and many of those land claims are in the middle of our biggest cities. What a surprise. It is NOT about land it is ABOUT THE MONEY.
Education rights. Every community college in Canada has reserved seats, set aside in every course for Natives, at NO CHARGE, but many seats go empty because the courses are "too far away " from the home towns of the natives. Reserves are considered to be "a separate entity that has it's own laws and rules " and of course they are ruled by Natives, who spend OUR money with no regard for any acountability. Band chiefs hire their own family members, with no thought to ability to do the job, and then pay them sky high salaries. One example....A Chief of a small reserve in Alberta is paid $300, 000 CDN a YEAR. His family, who are the council, voted him that amount The PM of Canada gets $200,00 CDN a year to lead the entire country.
In the far north of this country, Innuit villages are totally supported by OUR tax dollars, There is NO PAYING WORK, and every single modern thing , such as snowmobiles, big screen TVs and the kids designer clothing is bought with Canadian tax dollars, when the welfare cheques arrive on the 28 th of each month. Health care and dental services are FREE, and if you get sick , the Government flies you out to a big city for FREE treatment, and new clothes if you ask for them. Modern schools complete with gymnasiums and exercise equipment are located in places with a total population of 600 people. Teachers are sent up there, at taxpayers expense, and they have to be housed and paid at a "isolated community " premium rate, and they get to fly out , to the south 3 times each year, for a "break ". All of the social services providers are whites, and Doctors, Nurses and school administrators are all paid a premium to work up there.
In southern Ontario , the Natives of the Six Nations reserve ( population 22,000 people ) have been occupying a large chunk of land near the town of Caledonia, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. The citizens of the town have been attacked by mobs of Natives, cars burnt, homes damaged and people hurt so badly that they were in hospital for weeks. The Ontario Provincial Police have had as many as 800 officers there, at times. The Natives are claiming that the land is theirs. They have no legal right to occupy the land, but they are still there, today. As I said before it is NOT about land it is ABOUT MONEY.
Natives pay NO TAXES, if they maintain a " home address " on a reserve. They get a "Band Identification Card " that allows them to buy ANYTHING without paying taxes to any level of Government. NO PST NO GST NO income taxes. Many of them use this to make money. They will buy a new truck or car that you want to own, pay no taxes on it, then transfer it to you, for a percentage of the sale price. You save the sales tax.
People have commented on the Natives history in Canada. Make sure that you understand that they were no angels, back then. Slavery, torture of captives, cannibalism, and constant raiding of other tribes, to steal women, was the normal life of the North American Natives. No written languages and no use of metals . Today they are still not angels when it comes to the use and misuse of the land and animals. I have personally seen tremendous waste of animals, by Native hunters. For example black bear gall bladders are highly valued in China, for traditional medicine. Here in Northern Ontario, Cree hunters will shoot a black bear, JUST for it's gall balder, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot in the forest. West coast Natives have been convicted in court for killing bald eagles, for their feathers, to sell to those who make the Pow wow dancing costumes. Remember that un-like the rest of us, Natives do NOT have to obey any hunting or fishing rules, and they can kill as much and as often as they want, with no restrictions at all.
The blame for much of the poverty on Native reserves lies squarely on THEIR shoulders. The Federal Government of Canada spends, on an annual basis about ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, on EACH man woman and child in Canada who is covered by the Indian Act. That population number is just about ONE MILLION people. That is in addition to the Provincial and Regional Governments who are also supporting them with OUR tax dollars.
So a huge sucking sound which is the bottomless pit that is support given to the Natives. And every day they are finding new ways to GET MORE MONEY.
Remember that if YOU are paying Canadian taxes, YOU are being screwed by the Natives, every day. Do some reading, and find out the facts, not the BS put out by the Natives, and their highly paid lawyers, who by the way, YOU are paying for, thru your taxes. Am I bitter, you bet.
Jim Bunting. Toronto.
You seem to think that they are victims. Not by a long shot. Many of them are using OUR money, to sue US thru OUR courts. The Natives have NO money that wasn't given to them by some level of Government. And of course we all KNOW that Governments have no money, except that which was collected by them from US, the gullible taxpayers.
I have lived in Canada all my life, and my ancestors came here over 200 years ago. I'm entitled to make a few points.
The Natives are being encouraged to "claim back their land ". Right...... and many of those land claims are in the middle of our biggest cities. What a surprise. It is NOT about land it is ABOUT THE MONEY.
Education rights. Every community college in Canada has reserved seats, set aside in every course for Natives, at NO CHARGE, but many seats go empty because the courses are "too far away " from the home towns of the natives. Reserves are considered to be "a separate entity that has it's own laws and rules " and of course they are ruled by Natives, who spend OUR money with no regard for any acountability. Band chiefs hire their own family members, with no thought to ability to do the job, and then pay them sky high salaries. One example....A Chief of a small reserve in Alberta is paid $300, 000 CDN a YEAR. His family, who are the council, voted him that amount The PM of Canada gets $200,00 CDN a year to lead the entire country.
In the far north of this country, Innuit villages are totally supported by OUR tax dollars, There is NO PAYING WORK, and every single modern thing , such as snowmobiles, big screen TVs and the kids designer clothing is bought with Canadian tax dollars, when the welfare cheques arrive on the 28 th of each month. Health care and dental services are FREE, and if you get sick , the Government flies you out to a big city for FREE treatment, and new clothes if you ask for them. Modern schools complete with gymnasiums and exercise equipment are located in places with a total population of 600 people. Teachers are sent up there, at taxpayers expense, and they have to be housed and paid at a "isolated community " premium rate, and they get to fly out , to the south 3 times each year, for a "break ". All of the social services providers are whites, and Doctors, Nurses and school administrators are all paid a premium to work up there.
In southern Ontario , the Natives of the Six Nations reserve ( population 22,000 people ) have been occupying a large chunk of land near the town of Caledonia, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. The citizens of the town have been attacked by mobs of Natives, cars burnt, homes damaged and people hurt so badly that they were in hospital for weeks. The Ontario Provincial Police have had as many as 800 officers there, at times. The Natives are claiming that the land is theirs. They have no legal right to occupy the land, but they are still there, today. As I said before it is NOT about land it is ABOUT MONEY.
Natives pay NO TAXES, if they maintain a " home address " on a reserve. They get a "Band Identification Card " that allows them to buy ANYTHING without paying taxes to any level of Government. NO PST NO GST NO income taxes. Many of them use this to make money. They will buy a new truck or car that you want to own, pay no taxes on it, then transfer it to you, for a percentage of the sale price. You save the sales tax.
People have commented on the Natives history in Canada. Make sure that you understand that they were no angels, back then. Slavery, torture of captives, cannibalism, and constant raiding of other tribes, to steal women, was the normal life of the North American Natives. No written languages and no use of metals . Today they are still not angels when it comes to the use and misuse of the land and animals. I have personally seen tremendous waste of animals, by Native hunters. For example black bear gall bladders are highly valued in China, for traditional medicine. Here in Northern Ontario, Cree hunters will shoot a black bear, JUST for it's gall balder, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot in the forest. West coast Natives have been convicted in court for killing bald eagles, for their feathers, to sell to those who make the Pow wow dancing costumes. Remember that un-like the rest of us, Natives do NOT have to obey any hunting or fishing rules, and they can kill as much and as often as they want, with no restrictions at all.
The blame for much of the poverty on Native reserves lies squarely on THEIR shoulders. The Federal Government of Canada spends, on an annual basis about ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, on EACH man woman and child in Canada who is covered by the Indian Act. That population number is just about ONE MILLION people. That is in addition to the Provincial and Regional Governments who are also supporting them with OUR tax dollars.
So a huge sucking sound which is the bottomless pit that is support given to the Natives. And every day they are finding new ways to GET MORE MONEY.
Remember that if YOU are paying Canadian taxes, YOU are being screwed by the Natives, every day. Do some reading, and find out the facts, not the BS put out by the Natives, and their highly paid lawyers, who by the way, YOU are paying for, thru your taxes. Am I bitter, you bet.
Jim Bunting. Toronto.
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Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
It seems to me that MOST of you are ignorant about the real problems that the Aboriginals are causing. Yes I said causing problems.
You seem to think that they are victims. Not by a long shot. Many of them are using OUR money, to sue US thru OUR courts. The Natives have NO money that wasn't given to them by some level of Government. And of course we all KNOW that Governments have no money, except that which was collected by them from US, the gullible taxpayers.
I have lived in Canada all my life, and my ancestors came here over 200 years ago. I'm entitled to make a few points.
The Natives are being encouraged to "claim back their land ". Right...... and many of those land claims are in the middle of our biggest cities. What a surprise. It is NOT about land it is ABOUT THE MONEY.
Education rights. Every community college in Canada has reserved seats, set aside in every course for Natives, at NO CHARGE, but many seats go empty because the courses are "too far away " from the home towns of the natives. Reserves are considered to be "a separate entity that has it's own laws and rules " and of course they are ruled by Natives, who spend OUR money with no regard for any acountability. Band chiefs hire their own family members, with no thought to ability to do the job, and then pay them sky high salaries. One example....A Chief of a small reserve in Alberta is paid $300, 000 CDN a YEAR. His family, who are the council, voted him that amount The PM of Canada gets $200,00 CDN a year to lead the entire country.
In the far north of this country, Innuit villages are totally supported by OUR tax dollars, There is NO PAYING WORK, and every single modern thing , such as snowmobiles, big screen TVs and the kids designer clothing is bought with Canadian tax dollars, when the welfare cheques arrive on the 28 th of each month. Health care and dental services are FREE, and if you get sick , the Government flies you out to a big city for FREE treatment, and new clothes if you ask for them. Modern schools complete with gymnasiums and exercise equipment are located in places with a total population of 600 people. Teachers are sent up there, at taxpayers expense, and they have to be housed and paid at a "isolated community " premium rate, and they get to fly out , to the south 3 times each year, for a "break ". All of the social services providers are whites, and Doctors, Nurses and school administrators are all paid a premium to work up there.
In southern Ontario , the Natives of the Six Nations reserve ( population 22,000 people ) have been occupying a large chunk of land near the town of Caledonia, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. The citizens of the town have been attacked by mobs of Natives, cars burnt, homes damaged and people hurt so badly that they were in hospital for weeks. The Ontario Provincial Police have had as many as 800 officers there, at times. The Natives are claiming that the land is theirs. They have no legal right to occupy the land, but they are still there, today. As I said before it is NOT about land it is ABOUT MONEY.
Natives pay NO TAXES, if they maintain a " home address " on a reserve. They get a "Band Identification Card " that allows them to buy ANYTHING without paying taxes to any level of Government. NO PST NO GST NO income taxes. Many of them use this to make money. They will buy a new truck or car that you want to own, pay no taxes on it, then transfer it to you, for a percentage of the sale price. You save the sales tax.
People have commented on the Natives history in Canada. Make sure that you understand that they were no angels, back then. Slavery, torture of captives, cannibalism, and constant raiding of other tribes, to steal women, was the normal life of the North American Natives. No written languages and no use of metals . Today they are still not angels when it comes to the use and misuse of the land and animals. I have personally seen tremendous waste of animals, by Native hunters. For example black bear gall bladders are highly valued in China, for traditional medicine. Here in Northern Ontario, Cree hunters will shoot a black bear, JUST for it's gall balder, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot in the forest. West coast Natives have been convicted in court for killing bald eagles, for their feathers, to sell to those who make the Pow wow dancing costumes. Remember that un-like the rest of us, Natives do NOT have to obey any hunting or fishing rules, and they can kill as much and as often as they want, with no restrictions at all.
The blame for much of the poverty on Native reserves lies squarely on THEIR shoulders. The Federal Government of Canada spends, on an annual basis about ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, on EACH man woman and child in Canada who is covered by the Indian Act. That population number is just about ONE MILLION people. That is in addition to the Provincial and Regional Governments who are also supporting them with OUR tax dollars.
So a huge sucking sound which is the bottomless pit that is support given to the Natives. And every day they are finding new ways to GET MORE MONEY.
Remember that if YOU are paying Canadian taxes, YOU are being screwed by the Natives, every day. Do some reading, and find out the facts, not the BS put out by the Natives, and their highly paid lawyers, who by the way, YOU are paying for, thru your taxes. Am I bitter, you bet.
Jim Bunting. Toronto.
You seem to think that they are victims. Not by a long shot. Many of them are using OUR money, to sue US thru OUR courts. The Natives have NO money that wasn't given to them by some level of Government. And of course we all KNOW that Governments have no money, except that which was collected by them from US, the gullible taxpayers.
I have lived in Canada all my life, and my ancestors came here over 200 years ago. I'm entitled to make a few points.
The Natives are being encouraged to "claim back their land ". Right...... and many of those land claims are in the middle of our biggest cities. What a surprise. It is NOT about land it is ABOUT THE MONEY.
Education rights. Every community college in Canada has reserved seats, set aside in every course for Natives, at NO CHARGE, but many seats go empty because the courses are "too far away " from the home towns of the natives. Reserves are considered to be "a separate entity that has it's own laws and rules " and of course they are ruled by Natives, who spend OUR money with no regard for any acountability. Band chiefs hire their own family members, with no thought to ability to do the job, and then pay them sky high salaries. One example....A Chief of a small reserve in Alberta is paid $300, 000 CDN a YEAR. His family, who are the council, voted him that amount The PM of Canada gets $200,00 CDN a year to lead the entire country.
In the far north of this country, Innuit villages are totally supported by OUR tax dollars, There is NO PAYING WORK, and every single modern thing , such as snowmobiles, big screen TVs and the kids designer clothing is bought with Canadian tax dollars, when the welfare cheques arrive on the 28 th of each month. Health care and dental services are FREE, and if you get sick , the Government flies you out to a big city for FREE treatment, and new clothes if you ask for them. Modern schools complete with gymnasiums and exercise equipment are located in places with a total population of 600 people. Teachers are sent up there, at taxpayers expense, and they have to be housed and paid at a "isolated community " premium rate, and they get to fly out , to the south 3 times each year, for a "break ". All of the social services providers are whites, and Doctors, Nurses and school administrators are all paid a premium to work up there.
In southern Ontario , the Natives of the Six Nations reserve ( population 22,000 people ) have been occupying a large chunk of land near the town of Caledonia, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. The citizens of the town have been attacked by mobs of Natives, cars burnt, homes damaged and people hurt so badly that they were in hospital for weeks. The Ontario Provincial Police have had as many as 800 officers there, at times. The Natives are claiming that the land is theirs. They have no legal right to occupy the land, but they are still there, today. As I said before it is NOT about land it is ABOUT MONEY.
Natives pay NO TAXES, if they maintain a " home address " on a reserve. They get a "Band Identification Card " that allows them to buy ANYTHING without paying taxes to any level of Government. NO PST NO GST NO income taxes. Many of them use this to make money. They will buy a new truck or car that you want to own, pay no taxes on it, then transfer it to you, for a percentage of the sale price. You save the sales tax.
People have commented on the Natives history in Canada. Make sure that you understand that they were no angels, back then. Slavery, torture of captives, cannibalism, and constant raiding of other tribes, to steal women, was the normal life of the North American Natives. No written languages and no use of metals . Today they are still not angels when it comes to the use and misuse of the land and animals. I have personally seen tremendous waste of animals, by Native hunters. For example black bear gall bladders are highly valued in China, for traditional medicine. Here in Northern Ontario, Cree hunters will shoot a black bear, JUST for it's gall balder, leaving the rest of the carcass to rot in the forest. West coast Natives have been convicted in court for killing bald eagles, for their feathers, to sell to those who make the Pow wow dancing costumes. Remember that un-like the rest of us, Natives do NOT have to obey any hunting or fishing rules, and they can kill as much and as often as they want, with no restrictions at all.
The blame for much of the poverty on Native reserves lies squarely on THEIR shoulders. The Federal Government of Canada spends, on an annual basis about ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, on EACH man woman and child in Canada who is covered by the Indian Act. That population number is just about ONE MILLION people. That is in addition to the Provincial and Regional Governments who are also supporting them with OUR tax dollars.
So a huge sucking sound which is the bottomless pit that is support given to the Natives. And every day they are finding new ways to GET MORE MONEY.
Remember that if YOU are paying Canadian taxes, YOU are being screwed by the Natives, every day. Do some reading, and find out the facts, not the BS put out by the Natives, and their highly paid lawyers, who by the way, YOU are paying for, thru your taxes. Am I bitter, you bet.
Jim Bunting. Toronto.
#74
Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
I've been dealing with the racism on this thread by ignoring the thread. This however prompts me to shout "Bollocks!". It's simply not true.
#75
Re: How do you deal with the racism in Canada?
Why, if you have lived in Canada all your life are you even on the BE forum?