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queen anne Sep 19th 2008 12:55 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6799952)
I lived in a brick cavity wall house in Toronto. It was standing when the area was surveryed in 1926 and is still there now. I'm sitting in a turn of the century (the other one) brick house looking across the street at a 4 storey brick building from, I guess, the 50s. I suspect that brick is viable but wood is cheaper. I have a penis.

So there endeth the debate on why Canadians build wooden houses. Because it moves with the hot/cold temperatures becomes invalid straight away. I figure it's more to do with cost, as you say.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6799952)
I have a penis.

I envy that you do.

dbd33 Sep 19th 2008 1:05 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6800004)
I envy that you do.

It's been a source of great joy to me though it hasn't helped me to understand issues related to construction.

iaink Sep 19th 2008 1:31 am

Re: Houses
 
Brick "spalls" in the freeze thaw climate that we have here. Hell, even concrete suffers from the winter.

You can get away with brick if you are lucky and do a lot of maintainence, but ultimately brick is expensive...they are not made locally, and its sucks are keeping in heat, and so is relatively uncommon as a result. I would stick with timber frame.

A lot of the high street of my local village is brick or stone construction, but its constantly decaying and having to be repaired.

Naturally mother canada has a web site...
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/bes/hmpe/m...ezethaw_e.html

Steve_P Sep 19th 2008 1:54 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6799907)
I was thinking of the English method of building, as in two walls of brickwork one behind the other with a cavity in between. There must be some of the older structures still standing from the 1800's. Which would put a big question mark on the theory on wood being the only material able to withstand a cold climate. I must sound a bit dense but that's the fault of my gender.

Have you any idea what the insulation value of brick is?

Virtually zero, actually it is R0.2 per inch. To maintain a warm interior a home should have at least R20 in the wall cavities.

Brick construction just cannot do that along with the freeze thaw thing others have mentioned it makes brick totally useless as a primary building material in most areas of Canada hence wood frame construction.

Don't you think that if brick had worked Brit immigrants from the early twentieth century would have convinced everyone it was the way to build. :p

queen anne Sep 19th 2008 2:20 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6800191)
Have you any idea what the insulation value of brick is?

Virtually zero, actually it is R0.2 per inch. To maintain a warm interior a home should have at least R20 in the wall cavities.

Brick construction just cannot do that along with the freeze thaw thing others have mentioned it makes brick totally useless as a primary building material in most areas of Canada hence wood frame construction.

Don't you think that if brick had worked Brit immigrants from the early twentieth century would have convinced everyone it was the way to build. :p


Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6800191)
Brick construction just cannot do that along with the freeze thaw thing others have mentioned it makes brick totally useless as a primary building material in most areas of Canada hence wood frame construction.

Don't you think that if brick had worked Brit immigrants from the early twentieth century would have convinced everyone it was the way to build. :p

How do you explain the Parliament buildings in Ottawa then?
They sure ain't wood.

happy hatter Sep 19th 2008 2:26 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6798610)
Perhaps, but it still sounds surreal to me.

Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about brick houses in Ontario.
Plus, she is only a princess, so what does she know.

You make an excellant point Your Majesty, my most humble apoligies.

Bows and walks away

Steve_P Sep 19th 2008 2:51 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6800292)
How do you explain the Parliament buildings in Ottawa then?
They sure ain't wood.

Oh FFS give it up the topic has been gone over before.

Brick is not practical in most areas of Canada.

If you want to build a brick house and freeze your ass off go for it.

iaink Sep 19th 2008 3:04 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6800292)
How do you explain the Parliament buildings in Ottawa then?
They sure ain't wood.

The occupants dont have to pay for the heating or maintainence out of their own pocket;)

And its mostly concrete faced with sandstone


And it looked like this for 2 years in the 90s while they spent millions to rebuilt it after all the winter damage it had sustained...
http://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/yout.../fem10_max.jpg


In fact the houses of parliament are probably a perfect illustration of exactly why masonary is a bad idea in Canada.
http://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/text...reblock_e.html

fledermaus Sep 19th 2008 3:04 am

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Peterborough has many many century houses. There was a fire some time back and the result was a bylaw prohibiting wooden buildings in the city.

They are still standing and look good. I dont know if the inside is a wooden frame and the outer part brick as the fire retardent??

Our house inspector said that the old houses have dodgy foundations, some country ones have none. A friend has a log house with no foundations.

I dont have penis but I have access to one.

Does that help?

queen anne Sep 19th 2008 3:10 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6800364)
Oh FFS give it up the topic has been gone over before.

Brick is not practical in most areas of Canada.

If you want to build a brick house and freeze your ass off go for it.

Sorry if I upset you Steve, that wasn't my intention, I was merely reminding you that the Parliament buildings went up around the mid 1800's, were built with the traditional English methods, they are still here and in relatively good shape. So it follows that brick houses built around the same time could be a viable option and made 'snugglier' (not a real word I guess).

Souvenir Sep 19th 2008 3:11 am

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Houses tend to be built of the materials that are locally available, at least that has been the case in the past. That explains why some parts of the UK have houses made of granite, others sandstone, others clay brick etc.

queen anne Sep 19th 2008 3:12 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 6800397)
The occupants dont have to pay for the heating or maintainence out of their own pocket;)

And its mostly concrete faced with sandstone


And it looked like this for 2 years in the 90s while they spent millions to rebuilt it after all the winter damage it had sustainted...
http://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/yout.../fem10_max.jpg


In fact the houses of parliament are probably a perfect illustration of exactly why masonary is a bad idea in Canada.
http://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/text...reblock_e.html

Oh.

queen anne Sep 19th 2008 3:18 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 6800398)
Peterborough has many many century houses. There was a fire some time back and the result was a bylaw prohibiting wooden buildings in the city.

They are still standing and look good. I dont know if the inside is a wooden frame and the outer part brick as the fire retardent??

Our house inspector said that the old houses have dodgy foundations, some country ones have none. A friend has a log house with no foundations.

I dont have penis but I have access to one.

Does that help?


Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 6800398)

I dont have penis but I have access to one.

Does that help?

Yes it does help, thankyou.

I do to.

dbd33 Sep 19th 2008 3:26 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by queen anne (Post 6800452)
I do to.

I suspect you meant "I do too" but I rather wish you meant "I do two".

Souvenir Sep 19th 2008 4:00 am

Re: Houses
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6800493)
I suspect you meant "I do too" but I rather wish you meant "I do two".

Ah. A coffee-keyboard moment.


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