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Old Jun 7th 2014, 11:58 am
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I'd be more succinct and say ignorance is thinking guns don't kill people. And then trying to twist whatever inconclusive stat you can find to support your warped and deranged view.
And I would say that claiming that guns kill people is ignorance,they are inanimate objects,tools incapable of inflicting death.
Humans on the other hand......

Show me one single instance when a firearm has killed someone in a fit of rage!
Exactly you can't as its an object,again guns don't kill people,people do!

Not sure of storage laws in America,but here it must be stored in a locked room with no windows,or a gun cabinet,or be trigger locked!

Will banning firearms take them out of the hands of drug dealers,terrorists,gangs,other criminals?
No it won't as criminals do not abide by the law!
What about farmers,or bush workers? Do they not deserve to be able to protect themselves from wildlife?

Firearms have plenty of uses,they deter criminals that is a FACT like it or not and is a proven FACT,why else do the police carry them? Why do the military carry them? Why are crime rates where firearms are legal lower than areas with firearm bans?

Even the chief of Edmonton police on a radio show the other night when asked about banning firearms after Moncton said why do that?

Why punish law abiding citizens because of one person or because of illegal firearms.

There are plenty of illegal cars out there are there not,with plenty of illegal drivers,more people are killed each year in car related deaths than firearm deaths are they not?

What about the petrol bombings in Asia on public buses? A petrol bomb will kill way more people,is easier to obtain,requires no license etc..

And again what about the Calgary stabbings,or the mass stabbings in the 2 malls in Canada this year? Do you want to ban knives too,or is it just firearms that you have an aversion towards?
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Old Jun 7th 2014, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
Firearms have plenty of uses,they deter criminals that is a FACT like it or not and is a proven FACT,why else do the police carry them? Why do the military carry them? Why are crime rates where firearms are legal lower than areas with firearm bans?
Gun laws are far stricteer in the UK, and gun crime is much lower. The Homicide rate in the three countries show the USA to be worse, then Canadaa and the UK to be lowest.

There is a list here that shows gun ownership, homicide by guns etc. There are an estimater 270,000,000 million guns in the US, just under 10,000,000 in Canada and 3.4 million in the UK.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...hip-world-list
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
And I would say that claiming that guns kill people is ignorance,they are inanimate objects,tools incapable of inflicting death.
Humans on the other hand......

Show me one single instance when a firearm has killed someone in a fit of rage!
Exactly you can't as its an object,again guns don't kill people,people do!

Not sure of storage laws in America,but here it must be stored in a locked room with no windows,or a gun cabinet,or be trigger locked!

Will banning firearms take them out of the hands of drug dealers,terrorists,gangs,other criminals?
No it won't as criminals do not abide by the law!
What about farmers,or bush workers? Do they not deserve to be able to protect themselves from wildlife?

Firearms have plenty of uses,they deter criminals that is a FACT like it or not and is a proven FACT,why else do the police carry them? Why do the military carry them? Why are crime rates where firearms are legal lower than areas with firearm bans?

Even the chief of Edmonton police on a radio show the other night when asked about banning firearms after Moncton said why do that?

Why punish law abiding citizens because of one person or because of illegal firearms.

There are plenty of illegal cars out there are there not,with plenty of illegal drivers,more people are killed each year in car related deaths than firearm deaths are they not?

What about the petrol bombings in Asia on public buses? A petrol bomb will kill way more people,is easier to obtain,requires no license etc..

And again what about the Calgary stabbings,or the mass stabbings in the 2 malls in Canada this year? Do you want to ban knives too,or is it just firearms that you have an aversion towards?
I'm seriously worried about you.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Gun laws are far stricteer in the UK, and gun crime is much lower. The Homicide rate in the three countries show the USA to be worse, then Canadaa and the UK to be lowest.

There is a list here that shows gun ownership, homicide by guns etc. There are an estimater 270,000,000 million guns in the US, just under 10,000,000 in Canada and 3.4 million in the UK.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...hip-world-list
In what way are the guns laws far stricter in the UK than in Canada. Gun ownership is far less in the UK, but it isn't that difficult to acquire shotguns or target shooting weapons in the UK.

Do you accept that those committing gun crime in the UK do not possess weapons legally?
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In what way are the guns laws far stricter in the UK than in Canada. Gun ownership is far less in the UK, but it isn't that difficult to acquire shotguns or target shooting weapons in the UK.

Do you accept that those committing gun crime in the UK do not possess weapons legally?
Most of the UK gun crime comes from illegally held guns..
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
Most of the UK gun crime comes from illegally held guns..
As is the case in Canada. Drug dealers tend to want to use handguns and automatic weapons, not hunting/target shooting rifles.
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As is the case in Canada. Drug dealers tend to want to use handguns and automatic weapons, not hunting/target shooting rifles.
You again
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You again
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Why worry about me JamesM?
The Edmonton CFO was not worried about me when he issued my PAL,my missus isn't worried about me or she would not have signed my application.

I took the liberty of Googling some info for you to save your fingers the effort,seeing as the kids let me get a whole 3 hours sleep after nightshift.

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

https://nfa.ca/presentation-dr-gary-mauser

http://www.pressfortruth.ca/pft-glob...omment-page-1/

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publi...licequotes.htm

http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/gunst...un_Control.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...5338589&type=3

Some of the links back each other up,but all come to the same conclusion,and not what you want them to say either,have a good read of the police quotes one that will really cheer you up.
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
Why worry about me JamesM?
The Edmonton CFO was not worried about me when he issued my PAL,my missus isn't worried about me or she would not have signed my application.

I took the liberty of Googling some info for you to save your fingers the effort,seeing as the kids let me get a whole 3 hours sleep after nightshift.

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

https://nfa.ca/presentation-dr-gary-mauser

http://www.pressfortruth.ca/pft-glob...omment-page-1/

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publi...licequotes.htm

http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/gunst...un_Control.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...5338589&type=3

Some of the links back each other up,but all come to the same conclusion,and not what you want them to say either,have a good read of the police quotes one that will really cheer you up.
You do come across as a bit angry. Are you sure you should own a gun?
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Old Jun 7th 2014, 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
Show me one single instance when a firearm has killed someone in a fit of rage!
Perhaps not in a fit of rage but accidentally maybe?

I suppose those killed in the accidents might have become quite angry had they lived.
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
And I would say that claiming that guns kill people is ignorance,they are inanimate objects,tools incapable of inflicting death.
Humans on the other hand......

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Firearms have plenty of uses,they deter criminals that is a FACT like it or not and is a proven FACT,why else do the police carry them? Why do the military carry them? Why are crime rates where firearms are legal lower than areas with firearm bans?
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Not so for the UK.

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.04 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2009.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...level-33-years
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Not so for the UK.

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.04 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2009.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...level-33-years
It does on the other hand have VERY high knife crimes!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...w-8681511.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/girl-stabbed-...crimes-1115707

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tatistics.html

http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323

I do get a bit fed up when trying to get through to people who just can't help but blame firearms for everything that goes wrong in the world,yet say nothing when something else has been used.
A good example is that more people have died through knife crime,or car accidents this year than firearms,yet its the "Firearms are EVIL" that comes up EVERY time.
As a responsible,LAW ABIDING firearms owner,yes it does get thin and piss me off,why should I have to defend my pastime any time a firearm(usually illegal) is used in a crime?
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I do get a bit fed up when trying to get through to people who just can't help but blame firearms for everything that goes wrong in the world,yet say nothing when something else has been used.
And you don't think people get equally fed up with this constant reference to "something else" when that something else has a specific and entirely different purpose to that which was used?

Whereas the purpose of a gun is to be fired and when it's used precisely for that purpose rather than A DIFFERENT ONE that's when injury or death is the result.

A good example is that more people have died through knife crime,or car accidents this year than firearms,
Good that you recognise the different use. Key word - accident.

yet its the "Firearms are EVIL" that comes up EVERY time.
Well,yes if someone has deliberately used them to cause harm to others. What on earth would you expect? Congratulations for the gun being used for the purpose it was designed for?

As a responsible,LAW ABIDING firearms owner,yes it does get thin and piss me off,why should I have to defend my pastime any time a firearm(usually illegal) is used in a crime?
Because your hobby, your encouragement of gun use and your acceptance of guns makes it more likely that people have them and that makes it more likely that the wrong people may get them.

Just one example. If hobbyists weren't allowed guns there would be no sports/gun shops.

The one here that was broken into three times in a few weeks with guns and ammo stolen, wouldn't have had guns and ammo stolen. So those guns and ammo would not be in the wrong hands.
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Remind us again about the benefits of gun ownership and firing a gun? I've seen dozens of posts from you and not one benefit yet.
For me it means cheap, high quality meat that's killed humanely.
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