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Old Jun 6th 2014, 5:25 pm
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Thank heaven's this has ended without more deaths....we seem to have had a particularly nasty run on violence just recently don't we.

The problem is, if someone is going to cross the line, between normality and the abyss, then yes, I would think that an available gun with ammunition would facilitate the process...lack of gun won't stop it though, look at the boy that went off the deep end in Calgary, and stabbed six students, thank goodness he didn't have gun access. Then we have this chap that stabbed the three and shot three too, and he has apparently become something of a folk hero with his rants about women, and his 'right' to have a blonde girlfriend.

What kind of communities are we living in where family and friends have no inkling that something is going amiss, are we quite so fractured?
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Old Jun 6th 2014, 5:57 pm
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With the crazy "I deserve a girlfriend" guy, didn't I read that his parents tried to warn the police that he was kind of going off the deep end? I can't remember exactly, but it's ringing a bell... just off for lunch but will look it up when I get back unless someone beats me to it.
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Old Jun 6th 2014, 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
Yeah. A year is a really good sample time where statistics are likely to be accurate and conclusive.

I'd say education and ignorance is looking at an inconclusive stat in isolation.

Show concrete data over time from a wider sample before running your mouth and lecturing others.
Why don't you try researching yourself?
There is plenty of information out there regarding statistics,before running your mouth!
I'd say Ignorance is posting crap that you don't really have a clue about,following the crowd because you think you are right without seeking out the 'FACTS',obviously you would not agree.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly View Post
With the crazy "I deserve a girlfriend" guy, didn't I read that his parents tried to warn the police that he was kind of going off the deep end? I can't remember exactly, but it's ringing a bell... just off for lunch but will look it up when I get back unless someone beats me to it.
The one in Cali? Yeah his parents contacted mental health officials as they were worried about his behaviour, the police then met with him but found him to be "polite and courteous". This apparently happened only a month before his shooting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...81a_story.html


I don't see the whole gun control/culture debate being as prominent in Canada as it is in the States. Canadians on the whole seem a lot more sensible when it comes to guns. People aren't walking around Target with automatic weapons just to make a statement like the 'Mericans.

It's a different culture and so parallels shouldn't be drawn.
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It's a pity gun owners can't be more honest and just say that a few dead cops or school kids every now and then is a price worth paying for them to continue their hobby as is. Instead we get a lot of BS about knives and cars... smh.
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It's a pity gun owners can't be more honest and just say that a few dead cops or school kids every now and then is a price worth paying for them to continue their hobby as is. Instead we get a lot of BS about knives and cars... smh.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly View Post
With the crazy "I deserve a girlfriend" guy, didn't I read that his parents tried to warn the police that he was kind of going off the deep end? I can't remember exactly, but it's ringing a bell... just off for lunch but will look it up when I get back unless someone beats me to it.
Maybe he was 'crazy', I just hope my own son doesn't own 3 semi-automatic handguns though because I think that can magnify student angst.
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It's a pity gun owners can't be more honest and just say that a few dead cops or school kids every now and then is a price worth paying for them to continue their hobby as is. Instead we get a lot of BS about knives and cars... smh.
I agree. Although the same could be said for permitting people to use vehicles (dead school kids that is)
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Originally Posted by scootb View Post
Why don't you try researching yourself?
There is plenty of information out there regarding statistics,before running your mouth!
I'd say Ignorance is posting crap that you don't really have a clue about,following the crowd because you think you are right without seeking out the 'FACTS',obviously you would not agree.
I'd be more succinct and say ignorance is thinking guns don't kill people. And then trying to twist whatever inconclusive stat you can find to support your warped and deranged view.
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I agree. Although the same could be said for permitting people to use vehicles (dead school kids that is)
Except driving actually helps people get to work, get their food shopping, get to hospital, get their kids around. It serves numerous functions that benefit the human race.

Remind us again about the benefits of gun ownership and firing a gun? I've seen dozens of posts from you and not one benefit yet.
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Really glad this is over and it wasn't a death by cop situation!

Just to add my twopenneth worth into the guns debate- I think the main problem with America is that they don't have free healthcare, specifically mental healthcare, and people simply cannot afford it privately. It's the disturbed people that go into schools and cinemas with guns ablazing, or shoot their mothers because there is a price on mental health that families just cannot afford if they are not blessed with health insurance one way or another.

Of course there are those that should be in institutions or at least seeing a professional who don't in countries with mental healthcare available for all, as is evident in this case, but the same can be said for Raoul Moat, etc, there will be always anomalties but I think this particular problem makes a drastic difference.
Trust me the mental health system in much of Canada is not what you'd think it is, its still a largely underfunded, difficult and time consuming system to get help from, can take upwards of a year or more to get in to see a mental health person in the public system, and then only psychiatrist's are covered, so even when the best course of treatment isn't medication, its all that might be covered.

Take myself for example, my disorder has no approved medications, and no known medications that help, and the best course of treatment is dialectal behavior therapy, however this is not available in most of Canada in the public system and is very pricey to obtain at the few places who do offer it privately. (200+ per week for 26-32 weeks) so is not attainable except for those with money.

Now there are a handful of places who do offer it in the public system, but you have to live in their catchment area, so either living within City of Vancouver, or Victoria, anywhere else in BC and your outta luck.

Mental health is very community based, so if you live in a community with a poor mental health system, your basically out of luck.

Having experienced systems in BC and California, I can say its actually easier to obtain government provided mental healthcare in California then it is in BC.

Mental health is not treated on the same level as physical health is in most of the provinces when it comes to the healthcare system, so don't think of it being easily available like say being able to go into a walk in clinic for a sore throat or cough.
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There's a much bigger problem with guns that just trying to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. For example, there's also the problem of safe storage. Gun owners don't do themselves or their arguments any favours at times. I've lost count of the number of incidents regarding children who have obtained guns belonging to friends/relatives and then accidentally shot themselves or someone else. Recently I read a story of an NRA member who accidentally shot himself at a shooting range.
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This two threads stuff is doing my head in
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Mental health is not treated on the same level as physical health is in most of the provinces when it comes to the healthcare system...
Not just healthcare either.

My stepson's not very good in social skills and the like (ADHD/learning difficulty issues in the past) and finds it hard getting work.

I used to work in the Benefits/Job finding system in the UK and there were specialist roles to help people of all disabilities/disadvantages. There were also schemes giving employers incentives to give such people a chance and the relationships developed between staff in those roles and several employers meant real job opportunities.

I've never discovered anything at all like that here.Suddenly a month or so back I saw something in the paper about a program that sounded as if it would offer the same opportunities.

I looked into it in more detail and it was absolutely only for people with a physical disability.
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Not just healthcare either.

My stepson's not very good in social skills and the like (ADHD/learning difficulty issues in the past) and finds it hard getting work.

I used to work in the Benefits/Job finding system in the UK and there were specialist roles to help people of all disabilities/disadvantages. There were also schemes giving employers incentives to give such people a chance and the relationships developed between staff in those roles and several employers meant real job opportunities.

I've never discovered anything at all like that here.Suddenly a month or so back I saw something in the paper about a program that sounded as if it would offer the same opportunities.

I looked into it in more detail and it was absolutely only for people with a physical disability.
I agree. I have similar issues. My being very quiet, introverted, and not knowing how to be social is my # 1 hurdle in getting and keeping jobs.

I also have major issues learning in a classroom environment, and learning in general, poor memory, difficulty concentrating on a task etc, and so college is out of reach as I can't keep up with the class and course work, and fall behind and not passing.
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