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iaink Apr 23rd 2007 1:02 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by lee58uk (Post 4684773)
you dont have to be called a racist because you say you dont like the speed this country is filling up no in flux!! 500 000 in one year who you kidding

"Im not a racist but" seems to be a common theme in this tread of late.

Lets see, UK population ~ double that of Canada. Immigration total ~ double that of canada.
So why do you want to come to Canada?

dbd33 Apr 23rd 2007 1:32 am

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[QUOTE=bear-diesel;4683428]

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 4682472)
AH, but Canada isn't England!!!!

I take your point that the colonies don't have a heritage worthy of respect and may as well be swamped with the world's poor but, practically speaking, you'll get that of which you complain in spades in Canada. In the UK Poles and other immigrants represent what, 1% of the population? In Toronto, first generation immigrants are more than 50% of the population; if the objection is just to people not speaking English then that's much worse in Canada. If the objection is just that these people are foreign well then that'll be you. I hope your Cantonese is up to snuff.

dbd33 Apr 23rd 2007 1:36 am

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Originally Posted by lee58uk (Post 4684773)
i think bear diesel has a point, ! you dont have to be called a racist because you say you dont like the speed this country is filling up no in flux!!


but you, and bear diesel, make racist posts. Inevitably people are going to call you a racist.

burton bunch Apr 23rd 2007 3:23 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by The Smiths (Post 4684283)
Todays emmigrants are often tomorrows leaders and employers.

Hi Smiths

Quite agree with your comment above but was trying to be polite and kind of defend Bear's comments about the Europeans who are living and working in the UK - but unfortunately I feel that you are now saying that I have some bad vibes about them.

In my earlier post I simply stated a fact that alot of our hospitality workers are now from Europe - I did not say that they shouldn't be here or anything. Someone has to run our hotels in this country and if the UK peeps aren't going to do it then someone else is.

Gaynor

burton bunch Apr 23rd 2007 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by skiboy10 (Post 4684613)
Emmigration is a good thing when it is controlled - the problem with Britain is that it has NOT been controlled! The Government don't even know how many immigrants there are - they just do a random survey at a few airports but not at the ports and coach stations. The infrastructure of Britain cannot cope with the influx - this is NOT being racist (whatever that means) but just being practical!

Exactly.

But heard rumours that the government were in the process of doing this in particular with the amount of foreign doctors who come over here to complete their training. Apparantly they now require WP's to do so and if they dont have one - regardless of whether they have been originally allowed to come to complete their education - they will be sent back to their home country. This is not the way the deal with this problem.

The Smiths Apr 23rd 2007 3:30 am

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What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.

They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application!

Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada.

Ignorance=Racism;)

burton bunch Apr 23rd 2007 3:33 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by The Smiths (Post 4685471)
They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application!


Ignorance=Racism;)

As I am not going as a PR this has bearance on my postion - we are going on a WP route. But if people to do winge as you said your point is valid.

fuschiagirl Apr 23rd 2007 3:35 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by The Smiths (Post 4685471)
What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.

They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application!

Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada.

Ignorance=Racism;)

We have certainly not "whinged" about the "red tape" at CIC. It is good to see the Canadian Government has standards and enforces them! The British Government would do well to learn a few lessons!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

betterskierthanthewife Apr 23rd 2007 3:40 am

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Originally Posted by Philwill (Post 4684284)

Politically speaking Britain is a lot more Socialist than what it used to be and I don't mind saying that (to me) is a very bad thing. Broken promises in Elections are nothing new but the scale of the lies and corruption in Government here these days is criminal we have to live with the aftermath,

More socialist than when? more than the 70s? you must be joking. means tested benefits, private finance initiatives, private prisons, business involvement in education, tuition fees etc.

fuschiagirl Apr 23rd 2007 3:47 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by burton bunch (Post 4685462)
Exactly.

But heard rumours that the government were in the process of doing this in particular with the amount of foreign doctors who come over here to complete their training. Apparantly they now require WP's to do so and if they dont have one - regardless of whether they have been originally allowed to come to complete their education - they will be sent back to their home country. This is not the way the deal with this problem.

I agree. The Government is breaking promises to these foreign doctors that they allowed in when they were panicking about the low number of doctors in this country. Now they have a surfeit of junior doctors they are sending the foreign doctors home, along with British doctors to work for VSO! Talk about not being able to organise the proverbial p*ss-up in a brewery!

iaink Apr 23rd 2007 3:50 am

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Better to have too many doctors than too few....which is the canadian model of course.

Now, if only there was a way to fastrack british doctors into Canada then my best friend would consider coming over here instead of probably ending up in Australia.

lee58uk Apr 23rd 2007 4:16 am

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I think its great canada has red take and limit numbers in , thats one reason why i like how responsible they are to there people

bear-diesel Apr 23rd 2007 4:17 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 4685545)
Better to have too many doctors than too few....which is the canadian model of course.

Now, if only there was a way to fastrack british doctors into Canada then my best friend would consider coming over here instead of probably ending up in Australia.

hi Smiths
I have no problem with who lives where.
What I was saying and by jumping on the "lets get the racists" band wagon, you missed, was....that instead of providing education and intergration the council have singled out one immigrant popualtion. By putting the signs in Polish this will not encourage the learning of English and will also cause segregation between many races by way of "favouritism" ie why weren't the signs written in Bangladeshi,Hindu,Mandarin,Franch, Greek Etc.?????
I am by no way racist and you have missed the mark. I work with multinational people all day long and have never been labelled a racist before.
Do we not supposedly live in a country of free speech? So by stating what I have observed you get labelled.
Please don't run for government!!
As for the workers in Asda not being able to communicate in English is this not a dangerous downward spiral.......With English being the national language, I bet you will be the first to complain when that nice foreign doctor ( I use the term loosely with no particular nation named) has cut your wrong leg off cos you didn't quite understand him/her. But he was nice and hard working!!!!
it will not be long before every British national will have to take an English exam to emmigrate as I fear it will no longer be the good old national language.

just my observances and thoughts .....shoot at will
jo

startwin Apr 23rd 2007 4:17 am

Re: A few thoughts
 

Originally Posted by The Smiths (Post 4685471)
What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.

They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application!

Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada.

Ignorance=Racism;)

I haven't seen much of a racist posting on here, but rather simple observations and relating of their own experiences. Is it really racist to state a fact? The poster who told the story of the whole department of non-English-speaking employees and the subsequent work-related accident wasn't being racist. Should we accuse someone of being racist just because they are voicing their own observations? Now for my own - I visit the UK every year, and have noticed in my home town a huge increase in Muslim residents as well as Polish. There is much more resentment there towards the Poles - therefore nothing to do with colour or religion - because they are perceived as "cheap labour" who are taking jobs away. They will work for a pittance, and they make no attempt to learn the language. Now, the Polish people are not to blame for this, but the fat-cat employers. But the resentment will simmer and build, no doubt. As it does here.

Souvenir Apr 23rd 2007 4:27 am

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Originally Posted by bear-diesel (Post 4685635)
it will not be long before every British national will have to take an English exam to emmigrate

If that does happen, your chances of emigrating are pretty slim.


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