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Old Sep 9th 2008, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by dbd33 View Post
So, here we are in Canada, we have a population density comparable to London and we have many crimes of aggression though, as noted above, more with guns and less with knives. If you know how to make the population of Canada less clustered do please enlighten us.
As stated in the above post, push more new application immigrants to the provinces, becuase if they want to come to Canada quickly this should maybe be a condition. Look at the PNP occupation lists there ares no shortages of jobs in these places but a shortage of people.
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My reference to the US border is based on the fact that this is where urban outward growth needs to occur because this is where the majority of the Canadian population lives. No good doing it in northern Manitoba for example unless there is an oil strike there or something.
But, putting the population where it lives now is the precise opposite of what you seek to achieve, and it's anyway what the population does that of its own accord. If high crime rates are a function of population density and you want to reduce both you have to get the people to go where they're not.
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there's a reason why the canadian population is towards the usa border....it's warmer and most people like the warmth, right........?

big cities, more people, higher crime rate......it don't mean that there's a 'crime wave or capital'........vancouver has more 'unfortunates' than any other canadian city because no one wants to sleep on the streets in minus 40, right.......?

drugs, unfortunatley, is a major problem worldwide and most crime centered around drugs is 'drug related'....gangs, gang killings, robbery to feed the drug habit.......etc etc....it don't mean much if you stay away from the drugs, right?
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As stated in the above post, push more new application immigrants to the provinces, becuase if they want to come to Canada quickly this should maybe be a condition. Look at the PNP occupation lists there ares no shortages of jobs in these places but a shortage of people.
What about the people who are not eligible for the PNPs? That's most immigrants and most residents.
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drugs, unfortunatley, is a major problem worldwide and most crime centered around drugs is 'drug related'....gangs, gang killings, robbery to feed the drug habit.......etc etc....it don't mean much if you stay away from the drugs, right?
1. Recreational drug use is the cornerstone of Canadian society. Weed is to Canada as beer is to the UK. So it's rather tricky to stay away from drugs.

2. Hard drug habits need to be funded somehow, property crime is a common method, prostitution another, both depend on a supply of people from outside the gangs.

3. Gang members shooting at each other on urban streets are a problem to the public at large as there's no assurance that they will only shoot each other.
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Obviously murder is only one instance of serious crime, but it's the easiest serious crime statistic to find on the web. Either way, it gives some perspective to the 'high' crime rates.
It's still tricky to compare though, the relative lack of firearms in the UK might reduce the murder rate while increasing the rate of serious assault (a person shot dead will not offend again whereas one stabbed might). Perhaps people feel more at risk when there are frequent stabbings vs. less frequent shootings.
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It's still tricky to compare though, the relative lack of firearms in the UK might reduce the murder rate while increasing the rate of serious assault (a person shot dead will not offend again whereas one stabbed might).
In that case, Saskatoon is even safer than Nottingham .

Either way, I feel much safer around where I live and work here than I did in the UK (with random drunken violence, gangs of feral kids, chavs setting parked cars on fire, etc); but there are definitely parts of Saskatoon that I wouldn't go to at night, and preferably not during the day either. And while we do live in one of the fancier areas, it's hardly the most expensive.
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But, putting the population where it lives now is the precise opposite of what you seek to achieve, and it's anyway what the population does that of its own accord. If high crime rates are a function of population density and you want to reduce both you have to get the people to go where they're not.
PNP can include skilled workers but also workers for menial jobs as well just look at the PNP lists for BC and AB practically every job in existence is on there in some shape or form.

There is not to much cure for existing populations as people live where they want to live but those that have means to move to safer areas are free to do it and do it all the time. Why do you think so many Brits leave the UK to come to Canada, Australia and New Zealand etc? Becuase they are fed up with rising crime levels, housing costs and shit weather (If weather is a case they go to Australia for example) There in Canada they have the chance to lead the lifestyle that they really want and are unable to do in the UK. Hence to reduce population density you have to give people incentives to move to less so called attractive areas and to do this what better group of people than to perspective immigrants. Instead of waiting in a queue for several years they could be given the opportunity to go much quicker to an area where they have the possibility of employment and to an area that has a smaller population density.
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Old Sep 9th 2008, 8:18 pm
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PNP can include skilled workers but also workers for menial jobs as well just look at the PNP lists for BC and AB practically every job in existence is on there in some shape or form.

There is not to much cure for existing populations as people live where they want to live but those that have means to move to safer areas are free to do it and do it all the time. Why do you think so many Brits leave the UK to come to Canada, Australia and New Zealand etc? Becuase they are fed up with rising crime levels, housing costs and shit weather (If weather is a case they go to Australia for example) There in Canada they have the chance to lead the lifestyle that they really want and are unable to do in the UK. Hence to reduce population density you have to give people incentives to move to less so called attractive areas and to do this what better group of people than to perspective immigrants. Instead of waiting in a queue for several years they could be given the opportunity to go much quicker to an area where they have the possibility of employment and to an area that has a smaller population density.
Oh my, the incentives to immigrants can only have the tiniest influence on where they go. AB has the reputation of being primarily English speaking so people who do not speak English, such as most immigrants, are not likely to go there. Vancouver has a significant Asian population and so can attract immigrants but it's already densely populated. I'm afraid social engineering isn't going to spread people out, they'll want to go somewhere they can be understood. It might be easier to shift the existing population, Newfies for example, are highly mobile.
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Crime is committed all over the world . If you con't want to come to Canada that's fine but don't use statistics as an excuse :curse:

Until you've lived in a place you have no idea what it's like.
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Oh my, the incentives to immigrants can only have the tiniest influence on where they go. AB has the reputation of being primarily English speaking so people who do not speak English, such as most immigrants, are not likely to go there. Vancouver has a significant Asian population and so can attract immigrants but it's already densely populated. I'm afraid social engineering isn't going to spread people out, they'll want to go somewhere they can be understood. It might be easier to shift the existing population, Newfies for example, are highly mobile.
When applicants apply to Canada they have to state on their application form their ability of the English or French language. If people get in that don`t speak the required level of either English or French then that is their problem and they shouldn`t have lied in the first place. As for going somewhere where they are understood!!! well as stated above the oficial languages of Canada are English and French two languages that they can learn. New immigrants have to adapt themselves to the existing population not the other way round. Social engineering has been done by governements subtly for many years now so that is nothing new
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When applicants apply to Canada they have to state on their application form their ability of the English or French language. If people get in that don`t speak the required level of either English or French then that is their problem and they shouldn`t have lied in the first place.
You're thinking of skilled workers, most immigrants are not skilled workers.

French, btw, is the tenth most commonly spoken language in the GTA, it's next to useless here.

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Crime is committed all over the world . If you con't want to come to Canada that's fine but don't use statistics as an excuse :curse:

Until you've lived in a place you have no idea what it's like.
I think I know what Colombia is like and I have never been there and don't want to live there
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You're thinking of skilled workers, most immigrants are not skilled workers.

French, btw, is the tenth most commonly spoken language in the GTA, it's next to useless here.
You are now talking of the illegal immigrants the country allows in to do the jobs that nobody else wants to do. Well both the government and employers are happy to have an immigrant workforce in, that are exploited and receive less than the mimimum wage and are worked to the bonel as well. As in Canada along with most of the developed world this is a great business for governments and employers alike. So I think in that case nobody expects them to know the official language of the country because nobody cares.

As for French everybody knowes its useless unless you live in Quebec. They only put that on the application form to make the French speakers feel they are still part of the country and have a say on what goes on .
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I think I know what Colombia is like and I have never been there and don't want to live there
The only real problem you face in Colombia is either getting mugged in broad daylight by a bunch of kids, being victimized because you are a gringo or getting kidnapped while they empty your bank account with your own card or ebven better being kidnapped and held for ransom. Other than that a nice place to live with nice people and great food
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