dazzlerdaz

I hope YOU haven't tried this on anyone (not even for research) !

Gordon Browns finger nails look like they've been through a chipper

MikeUK

They might... but until they get to this side of the water they haven’t really seen political incompetence

Jules Europe

If you want to see political incompetence travel to Spain. Then you`ll see what political incompetence really is all about.

Novocastrian

Well, I for one could persuaded. Dead or alive. But preferably grilled to perfection.

Novocastrian

Oh, well. Let's all vote for the other lot then.

dazzlerdaz

which other lot ? there are more than one ?

Cape Blue

Jules - you mention the stats you are looking at but don't give us any links to them to see for ourselves unlike elfman below - can you show us what they are?

Jules Europe

The stats that I looked at, I no longer have access to them but if I find the list I will tell you what it is as I have it somewhere. One thing to bear in mind anyway, stats like the news are just fabricated crap that shouldn`t be believed anyway. On top of that most stats lists give you a whole lot of different results as well. I saw one that said USA was the 6 safest country in the world to live in......Thats a joke These lists are just used to frighten people or make them feel better depending on the situation. Better to use your own personal experiences and being aware of what is going on in your own country. For example everybody knows how safe they are in their own part of the country, so why do you need a stats list to tell you that? If you have got the ability of travelling or working abroad then your knowledge will be even greater. Failing that friends or people that live abroad can tell you what you need to know. One thing for certain look at the amount of Brits on this site killing themselves to leave the UK why, quite simple for economical reasons and rising crime levels usually a combination of these two things.

MikeUK

That's just what people who don't understand stats always say......

Jules Europe

Might surprise you that when I was university I studied statistics for a semester and the first thing you realize, they are not very accurate and can easily be manipulated. They just show trends (probables) and to be accurate need to be studied over a long period of time. Why do you think statistics vary so much? Much like economists as well they can never get it right. Thats why they always **** up the economy.

MikeUK

Given your understanding of statistics as shown above, yes I’m surprised you studied it, would appear that by the law of averages, and the available data, it would seem more probable that you are in the group who attended and didn’t study

Jules Europe

What terrible written English....... where did you study?

Cape Blue

Actually, my experience from living and working abroad is that many people in the UK have no clue what it is like and expect it to be some sort of nirvana, when actually the issues are pretty much the same in all developed western countries when it comes down to crime, taxes, immigrants etc. It partly stems from the parochial UK tabloids telling them that issues are bad in the UK without placing them in an international perspective.

Clearly the one-off rise in living status due to the higher prices of UK property tend to allow people to live in larger properties in better areas in their new country, but apart from that the stats tend to indicate that most of these countries are pretty similar in most ways - the US tends to be a little further away from the others with its large religiosity, gun issues, lack of socialized health care etc, but still has a lot more in common with the rest of the west than it does the east or developing countries.

The idea that the UK is going down the pan/to hell in a handbasket/to the dogs (and on) seems quite laughable really.

elfman

I think you have absoultely no idea what you're talking about

MikeUK

I'ma scientist, i dumped and intrest in englsih at about 13