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BluebirdUK Jul 25th 2014 1:12 pm

Credit cards
 
Recently moved to Toronto on work permit and opened a bank account with TD. Was told the only way to have a credit card is to put a secured deposit. I find this idea silly when I compare it to the UK system where no such thing exists. I am trying to build a credit history but without a CC that is not possible. Any idea how to get an unsecured credit card?
Ps I tried Carandian Tire MasterCard with C$200 limit (what a joke!!)

withabix Jul 25th 2014 1:49 pm

Re: Credit cards
 
TFW credit card limits are notoriously low.

Change your bank. Scotiabank will probably at least give you a massive $500 limit, unsecured. I have a Scotia credit card and this appears on the same screen as my checking account when I log in. Paying takes seconds. I can do $000s a month but still only have a $500 limit...

Did you have an Amex in the UK? If so, get it converted to a Canadian one.

Use the Canadian Tire mastercard - that's a start. Just pay the balance every time you get home from shopping.

Try getting an HBC (Hudson's Bay) credit card as well.

But don't apply for them all at once - space them out by a month or so!

Dashie Jul 25th 2014 1:49 pm

Re: Credit cards
 
We did the secured card. It's no big deal really. I believe you used to be able to get an unsecured card with Citi with no credit score for about $200, but the annual fee on it was stupid. I'd rather have a secured card with money that stays mine (they just put it in a savings account in your name, they don't take it from you) and then regain access to it in 6-12 months. Probably easiest to start your credit history that way.

orly Jul 25th 2014 1:57 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by BluebirdUK (Post 11347582)
Recently moved to Toronto on work permit and opened a bank account with TD. Was told the only way to have a credit card is to put a secured deposit. I find this idea silly when I compare it to the UK system where no such thing exists. I am trying to build a credit history but without a CC that is not possible. Any idea how to get an unsecured credit card?
Ps I tried Carandian Tire MasterCard with C$200 limit (what a joke!!)

Canadian banks are a bit more stable and profitable than UK ones though.

colchar Jul 25th 2014 2:50 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by BluebirdUK (Post 11347582)
Recently moved to Toronto on work permit and opened a bank account with TD. Was told the only way to have a credit card is to put a secured deposit. I find this idea silly when I compare it to the UK system where no such thing exists. I am trying to build a credit history but without a CC that is not possible. Any idea how to get an unsecured credit card?
Ps I tried Carandian Tire MasterCard with C$200 limit (what a joke!!)


Since you are new to the country you don't have a credit history here. Without a credit history, they want some guarantee that the bills will be paid so ask for a security deposit. While a hassle, it isn't completely unreasonable for them to do this.

withabix Jul 25th 2014 2:57 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 11347630)
Canadian banks are a bit more stable and profitable than UK ones though.

At the moment.

Wait for the property crash. :thumbsup:

(Allegedly)

Jimbo2012 Jul 25th 2014 3:00 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by BluebirdUK (Post 11347582)
Recently moved to Toronto on work permit and opened a bank account with TD. Was told the only way to have a credit card is to put a secured deposit. I find this idea silly when I compare it to the UK system where no such thing exists. I am trying to build a credit history but without a CC that is not possible. Any idea how to get an unsecured credit card?
Ps I tried Canadian Tire MasterCard with C$200 limit (what a joke!!)

We had a similar problem and ended up taking out a secured credit card with Capital One (Mastercard). It's not an ideal solution but it helped us build our credit history here and we were soon eligible for unsecured cards.

The fact that you may have had a shiny credit history in the UK matters not one iota here. It is very much a case of starting from scratch.

Jimbo2012 Jul 25th 2014 3:04 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11347617)

Did you have an Amex in the UK? If so, get it converted to a Canadian one.

!


We tried this. What a hassle! Amex Canada are very stringent and wanted us to jump through hoops to get a Canadian card e.g. notorised documents from GPs etc; despite us being in very good standing with Amex when we left the UK.

withabix Jul 25th 2014 3:08 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by Jimbo2012 (Post 11347712)
We tried this. What a hassle! Amex Canada are very stringent and wanted us to jump through hoops to get a Canadian card e.g. notorised documents from GPs etc; despite us being in very good standing with Amex when we left the UK.

Seems strange. We just had to get a letter signed by my employer iirc.

Did you cancel your UK Amex first - if so that was a mistake.

Jimbo2012 Jul 25th 2014 3:13 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11347718)
Seems strange. We just had to get a letter signed by my employer iirc.

Did you cancel your UK Amex first - if so that was a mistake.

No, didn't cancel it. Still have it in fact and use it occasionally e.g. Costco!

SchnookoLoly Jul 25th 2014 4:13 pm

Re: Credit cards
 
There's another thread going that's still active on the same topic, worth a read: http://britishexpats.com/forum/canad...comers-838887/

joinerboy Jul 25th 2014 8:17 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by Jimbo2012 (Post 11347712)
We tried this. What a hassle! Amex Canada are very stringent and wanted us to jump through hoops to get a Canadian card e.g. notorised documents from GPs etc; despite us being in very good standing with Amex when we left the UK.

Same for me when I opened an Amex account in Canada had to get docs notarized by GP, worth the hassle I feel as they gave me a good limit straight off the bat shortly after arrival and feel it helped me establish a good credit rating in Canada. Also found Scotia good as well have 2 CC cards with them now both with combined high limits. A good credit rating can take time to establish in Canada but cell phone accounts etc and small lines of credit to start off with will help improve your rating provided they are paid on time of course :-)

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 25th 2014 9:30 pm

Re: Credit cards
 
Takes time to build credit, and can't expect a large limit off the bat. Try RBC though, they heavily advertise to new immigrants with no credit history for their Visa card, but don't apply to too much as each inquiry lowers your score a bit, stays around for 2 or 3 years, and may appear to lenders your desperate for credit.

Since you have a card, just use it with the low limit, show your responsible and in time they will increase it.

200-500 seems the norm with everyone I know when it came to their first card, unless they had a really high income or savings which helps of course since banks see customers with money more useful and in turn more willing to provide what the customer wants.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 25th 2014 9:34 pm

Re: Credit cards
 

Originally Posted by joinerboy (Post 11348006)
Same for me when I opened an Amex account in Canada had to get docs notarized by GP, worth the hassle I feel as they gave me a good limit straight off the bat shortly after arrival and feel it helped me establish a good credit rating in Canada. Also found Scotia good as well have 2 CC cards with them now both with combined high limits. A good credit rating can take time to establish in Canada but cell phone accounts etc and small lines of credit to start off with will help improve your rating provided they are paid on time of course :-)

Which cell companies report to credit agencies? None I have used did, unless of course it goes to collections. (Bell, Virgin, and Telus)

izzi81 Jul 25th 2014 10:28 pm

Re: Credit cards
 
We went to RBC and each got an unsecured $1000 credit card. I would shop around, one of the big banks should give you one without requiring the security...


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