Siouxie

Ok, but you have stated that it's got nothing to do with the economy / housing / or anything else regarding Canada that is the main reason for you wishing to leave...... you have stated that you are homesick, you want to be near family...... so why do you keep arguing the toss about the state of Canada's finances, what does it matter to you.. if you could afford a fabulous house and a couple of rentals you still wouldn't want to stay!

scilly

We are not stupid, even if you think we are ....... which actually is the impression that I am seriously getting from you!


My careful reading of the announcement regarding that cut was that it was due to the large debt incurred by the Federal government during the last 4 or 5 months as they have injected huge amounts of money into taking care of Canadian citizens. I htink they also made some complimentary remarks.

Didn't you benefit from any of that money???? Poor you if not!

I'm only going to get $300, but I'm not angry about that ............... we have enough to survive. And I am certainly not complaining about people being able to access money because they have been laid off; to support Health care workers, seniors, students, businesses; or any of the billions of dollars that have been rolled.

Trudeau did what he had to do, no matter what Scheer might argue.

Plus of course the money that has been rolled out by the various provincial governments, including Ontario.

Your premier might be a bit of a joke, and a talking head unwilling to let the experts take the limelight and speak for themselves, but he hasn't been scrimping on the money.


Now quit talking down to us!

Hurlabrick

Yes, I did - thanks.

On 24th June 2020, ONE agency (Fitch) cut the rating for Canada to AA+ with a 'Stable' outlook.

On 27th March 2020, Fitch cut the rating for UK to AA- with a 'Negative' outlook.

Food for thought.

Former Lancastrian

Shame he is not telling us what the UK's ratings are so if interested here they are

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/rating

Fitch cuts UK credit rating to AA-

Agency says government borrowing levels are set to rise and outlook remains negative for Britain’s sovereign debt score
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-rating-to-aa-

glass houses stones

dbd33

The British economy will be a disaster due to Brexit. One might still want to move to the UK but it'll be grim.

scrubbedexpat091

Remember this, our perspectives of Canada differ, and our experiences in Canada, our success or lack of success all play a role in how we view Canada, this doesn't make Canada neither the best or the worst place to be, its just one of many countries on this planet.

bats

you are not miss in England, you are missing your family and the life you imagine you would have there. You talk of Canada's economy collapsing service read the same about the UK economy .

I was very unhappy here for many years which I never understood as I wanted to be here. Then I took the somewhat abrasive advice from this forum which was essentially " Suck it up Buttercup" " quit yer bellyaching". .
You're here, move forward. You can never go back in time, seriously. Just get on with it.

HGerchikov

We are an adorable bunch.

vagabonding

i agree with you and needed to hear that. Thanks for putting up with my moan.

bats

You're welcome

glendem4

Having recently arrived in Canada (2018), I can agree that cost of living is not cheap, especially in Toronto. Car insurance, Mobil contracts and internet access are expensive here compared to the 🇬🇧, but utilities, ⛽ and car 🚙 prices are cheaper. Food and clothing are similar. What is different is people's attitudes. The 🇬🇧 is very polaraized now with Brexit and rich v poor in society. Canada is more tolerant in my opinion and I have no regrets moving here after spending most of my life in Europe. UK 44 years, Germany 6 years, USA 3 years, Belgium and Sweden 1 year each.

DigitalGhost

I think that's what I liked about Toronto. There's a mix of everyone from everywhere and as a result most people just seem to embrace it and get along. This is in contrast to the UK and parts of Europe where the non-native community will normally be from a handful of countries (e.g. Pakistan and Bangladesh in the UK, North Africa in France and Turkey in Germany). I don't think anywhere in Europe outside of London has that level of integration and I'd go so far to say that not even London is on par with Toronto.

The only notable exception to that in Toronto is the Chinese community however they largely seemed to keep themselves similar to how they do in other parts of Canada.

dbd33

I don't know that that's fair. There are, of course, Chinese people living close to one another in areas where enough Chinese is spoken that the older Chinese don't need to learn English. But that's also true of Indians, Italians,, Portuguese and various other groups. There are politicians of Chinese extraction and lots of half Chinese people so I don't know that the Chinese in Toronto are more separate from the mainstream than, say, Ukrainians in Toronto.

abner

Agreed.

Well, they probably are at the moment, but not in any bad or unsurprising way. Rather, that degree of cultural separation is a natural function of how large the recent Chinese immigrant intake has been in Canada, and therefore proportionally how many are first- or second-generation Canadians, vs third- or fourth-generation ones. By contrast, the big influx of direct Ukrainian immigration to Canada occurred in 1895 - 1914. (My great-grandmother was enticed to emigrate because she'd heard from a relative that Canadian ladies spent their time in their parlours wearing white-lace gloves, while maids did the housework. She soon learned which role a recent Ukrainian immigrant girl would have in that scenario. But it all came good in the end.)

The best thing about Canada is the repeated way in which well-founded romance has often transcended--and then altered, and then removed--perceived barriers to mixing ethnicity, class, religion and (more recently) gender roles. And, watching both the families involved, and the nation, generally emerge stronger as a result. My wider family grew from Confederation-era (1860ish) German/Irish roots, literate but poor, to encompass, 160 years later, branches from China, England, France, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, the Ukraine, and most recently Australia. Several of the "diverse" marriages involved along the way (all quaintly so in current terms, but these were 40 - 140 years ago) raised eyebrows at the time, but endured and prospered nonetheless. In some cases they led, but in others just reflected, the increasing diversity and (relative) tolerance in Canada over time.

Paul_Shepherd

Really? Thats the exact reasons I am here, and what keeps me here! The scenary and the climate! But then I really enjoy the outdoors and Canada really is one of the best back yard playgrounds in the world... its noted for it. I couldnt dream of doing what I do now in the UK, that lifestyle is what drew me here... on top of my personal reasons for leaving the UK.

Love the seasons here, southern Ontario has a very balanced climate ... 4 months of summer, 4 months of winter, and 4 months of inbetween weather.

Sadly its a lot more expensive here now....cost of living wise, when I first moved here it was definitely cheaper than the UK, but now unfortunately its the other way around....not sure what went wrong there.....