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Same thing in Perth, but their vineyards aren't as good and there are too many Poms there!;)

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have you been to this area including the pacific north west? i doubt the usa or canada has cornered the market anymore than oz when it comes to malls etc. The orgegon coast is stunning with hardly a mall insight......

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oz is nice but way too isolated......

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Oz has too many flies. It's why they all wear cork hats like crocodile dundee.

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this looks very mad max like to me.......

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we have dolphins and lots vineyards here too, well at least within a few hours:

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and here's our 'tundra'

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Isolated from what? Great access to Singapore, KL, Hong Kong, Vietnam, NZ. Plus every type of landscape and climate on earth is available without needing a passport. If I really have to go back to Europe it's only 6 hrs to Singapore then 12 hours to London. To me, its isolation from Europe and NA is one of its redeeming features.

Yes, I actually rate Pacific coast as best part of Canada and Pac NW second best part of US.

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Yes it's very beautiful, but one of the nice things I like about Aus is that I can go to somewhere that looks like Jamaica or somewhere that looks like Switzerland or somewhere that looks like that lake shot you posted without leaving the country.

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Sounds pretty isolated to me....each to their own.....I'd hardly call flying to these locations that you have indicated as being part of day to day life. Nowhere is truly isolated if one jumps on a plane.....but where do you pop too for a quick trip....or a quick get-away?

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This is a few hours drive

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And this is a few hours flying

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We get by.

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pretty diverse here too in BC...other than a tropical location...although the usa's west coast and mexico are equally as accessible with little effort. Vancouver is much less isolated than anywhere in OZ.

The interior of BC is very oz like in the summer with less than 300 mm of rain and average summer high temps of mid 30 to 40:

other than a vast improvement in vancouver's winter climate (althoug skiing within 20 mins is a plus i suppose) i don't see any upside to OZ at all. hardly seems the effort to get 4-5 months of better weather. P

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oh its nice no denying that. i lived in miami for 4 years. Once the weather becomes part of the background though, its all same old same old.

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They're both fine places to live in my opinion. My argument is simply that I don't find the proximity of the US to Canada to be a plus point, that's all. It is a foreign country and it is gradually treating Canadians increasingly like any other foreign population. I am also saying that everything I want and that I would have to find in two countries in NA can be found all in one in Australia.

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yep, i actually dont like crossing to the US these days, they always make you feel that they are doing you a favour. Nice options for inexpensive getaways though. Winter here is pretty crap so a popping down south for a quick fix is warranted.

I think i could live happily enough in oz (although i prefer our more moderate summers - even the interior is too hot for me) but not Perth.

Back to perth though....1300 miles from the next major centre is pretty isolated.

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I have spent time in Vancouver (wife has family there) and we both love it, and of course Grouse Mountain etc and the island (Tofino). If I lived there I doubt I would spend much time in the US. I guess the occasional city break like you say. But their attitude that you describe is something I can live without. Aus summers... well... yes. Thing is Adelaide summers are glorious really, but around once a month the north wind blows in from the desert and things get ugly.

I quite agree about Perth's isolation. I have spent time in Perth and its distance from the rest of Aus is undeniable. They do have some great country over there though like Margaret River, etc. Bali is closer to Perth than Sydney is....

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Yep - my sister lives in Perth and that's how she feels. Previously she lived in Sydney, Brisbane and Gold Coast and would regularly travel to visit friends in Sydney and Melbourne. Living in Perth has only added to the sense of isolation she already felt living in Australia and being far away from family and friends in UK/Ireland. In hindsight, moving to Perth was probably not a smart move for her as she doesn't have kids and enjoys socializing. On the other hand, my wife's cousin also lives in Perth and loves it - although she has kids.

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What kind of washing powder does she use?

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I suspect she uses liquid. Does anyone use powder these days?

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:amen:
Quoting the truth

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It is the truth, but a quick trip to an English January refreshes.

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Im booked for 4 weeks over xmas/new year for my dose of chill. Hoping for snow again :fingerscrossed:

Aussie xmas doesn't cut it for me

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No not into Australian Christmases much either. Just too weird.

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yep, ask me come feb....although a quick getaway lifts one's spirits.

Point being that those that have not lived in such climates, place too much weight on how it will impact their quality of life. Not to say that it isn't a positive thing (of course it is although i like the seasons, even if vancouver's is a bit soggy) but there are many others factors to consider, from developing meaningful relationships to decent work, to decent schools etc.....

I happily moved to Vancouver from Miami. Vancouver offers so much more than Miami or Florida for that matter.

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I would have thought a move from US to anywhere in Canada would constitute a vast improvement.

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maybe....not sure why you dislike the place so much, it has its good points. Housing is cheaper, cost of living is lower, wages tend to be higher....decent climate in some bits..but certainly has it's issues.

I've always found the place to be a bit off centre and never quite felt right....Canadians are more like Brits and it felt less alien when I moved here compared to the US.

It;s fine as a holiday destination, as long as one has decent travel insurance!

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That's quite a generalization...and untrue IMO.

I lived in Canada for 7 years and I have lived in the US for the past 14 years. I frequently travel between the 2 countries for business and leisure. My company has offices in the major Canadian cities, my daughter attends college in Canada and I still visit a lot of friends there.

There are many similarities between the 2 countries but there are also many differences. Whether something is a vast improvement or not really depends on what you are comparing. Personally I could live quite happily in either country. Besides, both are so large that the regional differences within them are often more apparent that any difference between the 2 countries themselves. For example, the northern US states probably have more in common with Canada than they do with the southern US states.

Certainly the US has higher crime rates and I think the gap between rich and poor is wider in the US. Canada has universal heathcare but it also has higher prices and taxes...and the weather can really suck for large parts of the year. Politically I prefer the Canadian system because I think the 2 party system in the US can produce the type of partisanship and gridlock we see today. On the other hand, the climate and landscape is definitely much more varied in the US. I earn more in the US and my overall cost of living is lower...something for me to seriously consider.

So the choice comes down to personal preference. I definitely disagree with your generalization though. There are some really nice places to live in the US and there are certainly some places in Canada that are not so good.

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Boy d & MarylandNed

I like the US and will support them in the inevitable issues coming along with China, but my problems with the country just add up. For a start, as we have discussed on another thread, the disgraceful way they treat tourists at the airports or even people transiting through the US. The economics that came out of America in the 1980s that are laying waste to democratic culture all around the world. The healthcare abomination, the increasing right-wing radicalism, the fake bought and paid for politicians, the Evangelicalism, the gun fetish, the litigation culture, increasingly violent and mindless TV shows, the poor vacation time, the shameful violation of civil liberties since the PATRIOT Act, are a few off the top of my head. Again, and I stress, I know the good side of the US and we are all very lucky America is dominant globally and not China or Russia, but America is changing so radically since 9/11 that I worry about the future. They seem to have lost sight of all their key values and everything that made them great.

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Poor vacation time isn't unique to the US. In my first job in Canada, I got a pathetic 2 weeks vacation. In the US now, I get almost 6 weeks vacation. I think the poor vacation time is more of an issue for those starting out in the workforce - in Canada as well as the US

Healthcare is great - if you have access to it. It's really the health INSURANCE situation that is a mess. For me, dealing with health insurance issues has been by far the single worst thing about living in the US. I sit in medical offices and listen to people on the front desk fill their days with health insurance issues. They are buried under an avalanche of red tape - hundreds of millions of dollars are wasted this way every year.

I share your concerns on a lot of the other things you mentioned. There is certainly an element within the Republican Party that I absolutely abhor. I thought Bill Clinton gave a great speech last night at the DNC and I share the Democratic view of an America where we cooperate and help each other rather than the Republican view of every man for himself.

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I thought Clinton's speech was impressive too, and so was his record in office in my view. I fear Romney is going to win this and all the things I am criticising will get worse. Worst of all is my disappointment with Obama. I know he has had one of the toughest watches in history but he could have done more to reign in Wall Street and set a new course in people's hearts. I suppose the lower house is GOP though, isn't it? And that has made life hard.

Holiday - one of the posters here has stated he went from two weeks to tree weeks in Canada after 10 years in work. 10 YEARS. So, I'm not budging on my criticism of that and that's for all of NA! Four weeks stat from the get-go is fine with me.

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We are 2 hours south of perth and yes even MORE boring, amongst other things about the place that are really irritating!... to be honest love the weather here apart from those few weeks in summer, but cant wait to get out of the place.... as for being close to Bali etc.. I thought it was the biggest hole I have ever been to, fantastic accomodation but step outside and omg... an exprience i would never like to do again, horrible stinky place. And as for Western Australia once you have been down south (blinked and seen it all!!) and done the perth bit kings park etc.... thats it.. and if you want to go out to eat after 8pm the only place open is a Mc Donalds lol.... personally cant wait to get to Canada, just hope our application goes through ok and quickly haha

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haha boy d you cant!!!! we are going away next week for the first time in 3 years and have sooo much choice - down south or em down south AGAIN!!!! and here its an arm and a leg to go away too!!! so yes one of the attractions of Canada we will be able to go for a quick trip or get away - we have to drive 4 hours next week and it will be a relaxing break as there is bugger all there bahahaha :rofl:

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After being on this forum a few weeks I'm starting to get the impression that there is no "wonderland" and those that think there is are doomed to wander the earth for ever looking for the end of the rainbow. It's an expensive mistake as well because it costs so much time and money to move internationally only to get there, have a year long honeymoon and then be bored again. Unless I was offered an absolutely unbelievable job with full moving expenses I don't think I could handle another move (not counting going back to UK). I've traveled too much and seen that everywhere is basically the same.

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actually there isnt the same thing over here in WA and there arnt too many poms - thats why people are always getting ripped off by the oh so honest aussies!!!:sneaky:

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yes you are right there is no wonderland, and where ever you live you still have to work etc..... but i do believe that your surroundings can make life more enjoyable... dont get me wrong i love Australia as a place, but it is very bland and seems to be all the same where ever you are... and maybe because i dont have a zz top beard, a ute with a dog, wear a bright yellow work shirt and go everywhere with no shoes on makes me an outcast!!!

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and to be honest i really didnt think the move was that stressful from the UK... and i had to come out here on my own with my 7 year old at the time leaving my partner behind to sell the house. I had never even visited here so was going into the complete unknown and didnt know a sole... variety is the spice of life so is experiencing different ways of life... i cant wait:starsmile:

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How are you expecting Canada to differ from this?

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I don't agree with this. There is no universal wonderland for sure but there are plenty of places in the world where you can live a perfectly good life. It is more down to the individual. There are a good number of people who aren't happy unless they have something to compliain about. Some just complain, others move on.

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This is what I'm saying though - happy people are happy anywhere (within reason) and unhappy people are unhappy everywhere. Seems to me those who get bored somewhere after a few years are going to be bored wherever they go. With one exception I have enjoyed everywhere I have lived. The older I get though, moving appeals to me less and less.

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You might be right - but here your description could be Canada - the only difference being they wear shoes...! I wish you well, sincerely - it takes courage and effort to move overseas and I admire a sense of adventure in people because I recognise it in myself. I'm getting tired of zipping about now, and enjoy being in one place. Honestly, we talked once about trying another country but we got knackered just thinking about it. What part of Canada are you heading to?

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it may not differ as a place, but i am sure that the scenery is better over there..... and the people are not as crude, rude and racist as here..... thats not just my opinion, check out the aussie section, it is a general opinion of most brits that move over here, hey i could write a long list of niggles about this place, but dont want to offend!!! however one of the aussie threads 'what dont you like about australia' is a really good read..... i have trawled the canadian threads and to be honest hardly seen anyone slagging the place or the people off :cool: so in that respect I think that it would differ greatly

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Honestly, I think the way you are thinking of Canada/Australia as a kind of zero sum game in your mind might be asking for trouble when you get there. I mean in terms of unmet expectations and so on.