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Citizenship ???
Guys can anyone elaborate...I thought it was two out of five years but as I was browsing through I found this. Is it just out of date and has anyone got an uptodate link???
Becoming a Canadian Citizen Here is useful information about becoming a Canadian citizen. Read this page to decide if you are ready to take this step. To become a Canadian citizen you must: be 18 years of age or older; be a permanent resident of Canada; have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before applying; be able to communicate in either English or French; know about Canada; know about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship; Please note that time spent in Canada before becoming a permanent resident may be counted towards becoming a Canadian citizen. (Direct post from CIC site - honest :confused: ) |
Re: Citizenship ???
Originally posted by Smokey Guys can anyone elaborate...I thought it was two out of five years but as I was browsing through I found this. Is it just out of date and has anyone got an uptodate link??? Becoming a Canadian Citizen Here is useful information about becoming a Canadian citizen. Read this page to decide if you are ready to take this step. To become a Canadian citizen you must: be 18 years of age or older; be a permanent resident of Canada; have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before applying; be able to communicate in either English or French; know about Canada; know about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship; Please note that time spent in Canada before becoming a permanent resident may be counted towards becoming a Canadian citizen. (Direct post from CIC site - honest :confused: ) Iain |
Re: Citizenship ???
Originally posted by iaink The above from CIC is correct, two out of five is what you need to maintain PR status. Iain isn;t that three of four not two of five?? My question is really when can I apply having landed march 03? |
Read my post under the thread total figures to date for PR/citizenship. Right to keep PR status, should not be mistaken with citizenship requirements.
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Re: Citizenship ???
Originally posted by Smokey Ian I'm sorry to be so dense (I'm really not having a good day) but they say "have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before applying;" isn;t that three of four not two of five?? My question is really when can I apply having landed march 03? If you landed in March 2003 then you should be eligible to apply March 2006 taking into account that you didnt leave the country during that period, although I have heard that taking a week here and there is sometimes waivered although it might slow down the application. |
Originally posted by mickj Read my post under the thread total figures to date for PR/citizenship. Right to keep PR status, should not be mistaken with citizenship requirements. Mickj...sorry I was so dense, I was looking at your link but not seeing it. 'm not thinking straight at the moment. Its not everyday that you find out your husband of 15 years is having an affair(hence the post velow that I need help with a hotmail account) ...guess moving to canadda wasn't the right move for all of us :mad: Thanks for your help |
Originally posted by Smokey Spongebob, thanks for doing my thingking for me yesterday, I appreciate it. Mickj...sorry I was so dense, I was looking at your link but not seeing it. 'm not thinking straight at the moment. Its not everyday that you find out your husband of 15 years is having an affair(hence the post velow that I need help with a hotmail account) ...guess moving to canadda wasn't the right move for all of us :mad: Thanks for your help Hotmail is easy to set up and use, you just need access to any PC connected to the internet to access it. File sizes you can send and recieve are limited to about 1Mb, and you have a limited amount of space to keep old messages, but really its pretty foolproof. Its a little slow sometimes, and a pain if someone sends you a jpeg, as the window shows a bitmap version that will not allow you to save the original jpeg. You can however set up "outlook express" to access your hotmail, which gets around the attachment issue. Just to clear up any remaining confusion about the time thing. To keep your PR status in Canada you have to be present in Canada for a total of two years in any rolling 5 years. Any less than that and they can take your permanent resident status from you. Once you have been present as a permanent resident in canada for three years (1095 days) in any four year period (or in effect three straight years after you land as a PR) you can apply for Citizenship, which allows you to vote, do some government jobs and means you can leave canada indefinately, and still have the right to come back and live here later, to basically come and go as you please. There is a background check done, and a basic test on canada(nothing to worry about), then a month or two later you are sworn in as a citizen, and issued with a card and certificate. FWIW I was sworn in today! "I am canadian!" . Took me 11 months from start to finish of the process, once the three year requirement was met. Worth noting that any time outside of Canada is deducted from you time here, including day trips to the US on business, vacations abroad etc. Time in canada on a work permit before PR was issued counts as half, up to a total of half a year (one year real time) Hope this helps a little. I really wish I had some magic words to make everything seem better.:( All the best Iain |
Originally posted by iaink Sorry to hear about that, after 15 years, what a shock it must be. I guess these things happen all over the world, but it must be especially hard under the circumstances. Hotmail is easy to set up and use, you just need access to any PC connected to the internet to access it. File sizes you can send and recieve are limited to about 1Mb, and you have a limited amount of space to keep old messages, but really its pretty foolproof. Its a little slow sometimes, and a pain if someone sends you a jpeg, as the window shows a bitmap version that will not allow you to save the original jpeg. You can however set up "outlook express" to access your hotmail, which gets around the attachment issue. Just to clear up any remaining confusion about the time thing. To keep your PR status in Canada you have to be present in Canada for a total of two years in any rolling 5 years. Any less than that and they can take your permanent resident status from you. Once you have been present as a permanent resident in canada for three years (1095 days) in any four year period (or in effect three straight years after you land as a PR) you can apply for Citizenship, which allows you to vote, do some government jobs and means you can leave canada indefinately, and still have the right to come back and live here later, to basically come and go as you please. There is a background check done, and a basic test on canada(nothing to worry about), then a month or two later you are sworn in as a citizen, and issued with a card and certificate. FWIW I was sworn in today! "I am canadian!" . Took me 11 months from start to finish of the process, once the three year requirement was met. Worth noting that any time outside of Canada is deducted from you time here, including day trips to the US on business, vacations abroad etc. Time in canada on a work permit before PR was issued counts as half, up to a total of half a year (one year real time) Hope this helps a little. I really wish I had some magic words to make everything seem better.:( All the best Iain I do have a hotmail account...I was just trying to find out some details on the tart who thinks its 'fun' to cheat on her hubby with no thought for his or anyone else's feelings. Just thought I'd seen a lookup somewhere. |
hi there,
Does anyone know how they(CIC) will deduct times when you are in out of canada ? suppose, when i left canada they didn't stample my passport for departure, even i didn't fill up any information sheet that allows to access my personal information. so, i need to clarify how they will count my status when i'm in out of country(Canada). thanks for the hepl |
Originally posted by mois hi there, Does anyone know how they(CIC) will deduct times when you are in out of canada ? suppose, when i left canada they didn't stample my passport for departure, even i didn't fill up any information sheet that allows to access my personal information. so, i need to clarify how they will count my status when i'm in out of country(Canada). thanks for the hepl Honesty is definetly the best policy, as I am sure they have some way of checking...perhaps from credit card records or whatever.. i have no idea what personal records the government can access if it has grounds, but potentially there are the full resources of the RCMP and CSIS available to them. It is really not worth jeapordising the whole thing for the sake of waiting enough days to cover your absences. I am not sure, but from what I have heard, if they catch you cheating on the citizenship application they may fully investigate your PR status, so you could end up losing that too. Iain |
Originally posted by iaink FWIW I was sworn in today! "I am canadian!" . Took me 11 months from start to finish of the process, once the three year requirement was met. Worth noting that any time outside of Canada is deducted from you time here, including day trips to the US on business, vacations abroad etc. Time in canada on a work permit before PR was issued counts as half, up to a total of half a year (one year real time) Hope this helps a little. I really wish I had some magic words to make everything seem better.:( All the best Iain Congratulations Iain on becoming a "Canuck". Want to celibrate at Tim Hortons in the Mall sometime. I'll even pay just give me a call. Frank C. |
when I can apply for citizenship
I came to Canada on a student visa in September 2000 before becoming a permanent resident in March 2003, when I can apply for citizenship?
Many thanks for your reply! |
Iain
I don't have a specific reference, but as far as I'm aware, while day-trips to the US should be declared, a partial day spent in Canada counts as a full day. I'd suggest asking the experts on the immigration forum. Jeremy Originally posted by iaink Worth noting that any time outside of Canada is deducted from you time here, including day trips to the US on business, vacations abroad etc. Time in canada on a work permit before PR was issued counts as half, up to a total of half a year (one year real time) |
Re: when I can apply for citizenship
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The time you spent in Canada before becoming a PR will be halved, so if you were here for a year, that gives you six months. Then this follows:
Rules for becoming a citizen: You are allowed to apply for Canadian Citizenship after you have been physically resident in Canada for three years (1095 days) out of the four years immediately preceding your application. Where exceptional circumstances exist, however, you may be allowed to apply even if you have not been physically resident in Canada for the required 1095 days. In determining whether exceptional circumstances exist, Citizenship Judges examine the specific facts and circumstances of each individual case. Each case must be assessed on its own merits, and Citizenship Judges have considerable discretion in determining whether exceptional circumstances truly exist. Thus, it is extremely difficult to conclusively pronounce which circumstances will be deemed to be exceptional. The following is a list of factors which may, in some cases, lead Citizenship Judges to "bend" the 1095-Day Rule: The applicant is physically present in Canada for most of the required period other than recent absences which occurred immediately before the application for Citizenship was submitted. Even though the applicant leaves Canada on a regular basis, the applicant's immediate family and dependents continue to live in Canada. The applicant's overall pattern of physical presence in Canada indicates that he or she returns home to Canada, and does not merely "pay a visit" to Canada. Despite repeated absences, the total number of days absent from Canada are relatively few. The physical absence from Canada is caused by a clearly temporary situation such as employment or study abroad for a limited period of time. The quality of the applicant's connection with Canada is more substantial than that which exists with any other country, as reflected by the applicant's involvement in Canadian work and business ventures, community organizations, and payment of Canadian income tax. Originally posted by yxy I came to Canada on a student visa in September 2000 before becoming a permanent resident in March 2003, when I can apply for citizenship? Many thanks for your reply! |
Originally posted by JAJ Iain I don't have a specific reference, but as far as I'm aware, while day-trips to the US should be declared, a partial day spent in Canada counts as a full day. I'd suggest asking the experts on the immigration forum. Jeremy As mick points out, if you base is in canada, but business trips to the US are keeping you below the time criteria, you can throw yourself on the mercy of a citizenship judge, but this really slows the process down, so if it is just a case of waiting a few days to make up the "lost " time, it is probably more pragmatic to wait and then apply. Iain |
Hi Everyone ,
Interesting reading , I was wondering how my hubby was going to get citizenship . As he will be driving to USA most of the time , it would take him years & years to accumulate that amount of days . Thanks to all ( I've learnt no-end on this site !! ) |
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Originally posted by m mcnicol Hi Everyone , Interesting reading , I was wondering how my hubby was going to get citizenship . As he will be driving to USA most of the time , it would take him years & years to accumulate that amount of days . Thanks to all ( I've learnt no-end on this site !! ) |
Hi Iain
I think that the situation you mention, where one returns the next day, would also count as 2 days in Canada. Only a *full* day outside Canada would not count. But you'd have to ask the experts on the Canada immigration forum. Agree with you about the 1095 days - best to apply with the full amount (plus a few extra to spare) as if you need to go to a citizenship judge it will likely add a number of months to the process. However, some people who have to travel a lot on business may need to consider this option. Jeremy Originally posted by iaink Sorry, by day trip I meant go one day, stay the night, come back the next day. If you just pop over the border and come back the same day it doesnt count as far as I am aware. As mick points out, if you base is in canada, but business trips to the US are keeping you below the time criteria, you can throw yourself on the mercy of a citizenship judge, but this really slows the process down, so if it is just a case of waiting a few days to make up the "lost " time, it is probably more pragmatic to wait and then apply. Iain |
Originally posted by JAJ Hi Iain I think that the situation you mention, where one returns the next day, would also count as 2 days in Canada. Only a *full* day outside Canada would not count. But you'd have to ask the experts on the Canada immigration forum. Agree with you about the 1095 days - best to apply with the full amount (plus a few extra to spare) as if you need to go to a citizenship judge it will likely add a number of months to the process. However, some people who have to travel a lot on business may need to consider this option. Jeremy I guess you have to report the zero absence trips in case it is stamped in you PP. Personally on my recently application I did not realise I had to report the zero days, but as they were not stamped it was a non issue. All the other overnight trips were reported as one day out of canada, my passport was checked, and this was obviously OK with CIC or I wouldnt be (half) canadian now. It seem simple on the instructions, but it seems there are still grey areas that the guide doesnt cover! Iain |
Iain
I had read the opposite on the same usenet group previously. A quick look through the law and policy on the CIC site doesn't provide any clarification (and I always prefer official references). I'd be grateful if you could PM me with the title of the usenet thread, or a Google reference, and I'll tell you what I think. Thanks. Jeremy Originally posted by iaink From what I read yesterday on the disconnected usenet group, if you go and come back the same day, you should report it as an absence from canada, but it counts as 0 days, so does not affect the 1095 threshold. If you go one day and come back the next it counts as one days absence. I guess you have to report the zero absence trips in case it is stamped in you PP. Personally on my recently application I did not realise I had to report the zero days, but as they were not stamped it was a non issue. All the other overnight trips were reported as one day out of canada, my passport was checked, and this was obviously OK with CIC or I wouldnt be (half) canadian now. It seem simple on the instructions, but it seems there are still grey areas that the guide doesnt cover! Iain |
Originally posted by JAJ Iain I had read the opposite on the same usenet group previously. A quick look through the law and policy on the CIC site doesn't provide any clarification (and I always prefer official references). I'd be grateful if you could PM me with the title of the usenet thread, or a Google reference, and I'll tell you what I think. Thanks. Jeremy snip<<< "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<aeygc.49045$aD.6131@edtnps89>... > Yes, all absences must be listed. It doesn't matter that some may result in > 0 day absence - you put them as 0 days in the column of days of absence, but > they must be listed, period. I kept a log of all my overnight trips to the U.S., but I didn't know that I needed to record and report my day trips there. Should I just list what I know and add a statement like this: "I have listed each and every overnight trip outside Canada, but I also made several day trips to the United States, the dates of which I did not think to record at the time and cannot remember now." snip<<< I remember the quote from AM was with regard to crossing and coming back the same day, Here is a reference to that one... http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2...dtnps89&rnum=1 |
Re: when I can apply for citizenship
Thanks for your reply! The time spent in Canada before becoming a PR will be halved. Other question is that ONLY gives you ONE YEAR? True?
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The thread in question did not refer to someone leaving and returning next day.
A quick google search revealed this brief discussion from 2000: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...tac.net&rnum=2 You may want to ask Andrew Miller: - is this the law or just CIC policy? - if it's CIC policy, has that changed since 2000. Jeremy Originally posted by iaink "Day Trips and Citizenship"....posted by Jonathan Makepeace I remember the quote from AM was with regard to crossing and coming back the same day, Here is a reference to that one... |
Re: when I can apply for citizenship
CIC only looks back 4 years from the date of your application - so effectively, you are limited to using at most 2 years of temporary residence, which equates to 1 year as a PR. And then you add two years PR to get to the three year mark.
These timescales get more complex if you have spent any time outside Canada in the four year period. Jeremy Originally posted by yxy Thanks for your reply! The time spent in Canada before becoming a PR will be halved. Other question is that ONLY gives you ONE YEAR? True? |
Originally posted by JAJ The thread in question did not refer to someone leaving and returning next day. A quick google search revealed this brief discussion from 2000: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...tac.net&rnum=2 You may want to ask Andrew Miller: - is this the law or just CIC policy? - if it's CIC policy, has that changed since 2000. Jeremy Q:You want to say if I went from Niagara Falls(Canada) to Niagara Falls(US) and after couple hours came back to Canada, I need to mention this in the list of absences from Canada ? But what is point ? It will be 0 days anyway. A: Yes, all absences must be listed. It doesn't matter that some may result in 0 day absence - you put them as 0 days in the column of days of absence, but they must be listed, period. I take your point though. |
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