Siouxie

Healthforce Ontario - which is the website given earlier - has this information. Licensing Information for International Medical Graduates IMGs and if you were to practice first in the UK, then http://www.healthforceontario.ca/en/...d_or_Australia

Just for info, if you think -13c is bad, Toronto went down to -40c last February.

Regarding 'don't want to shell out £1000's' - please be aware that the cost of immigrating alone will run to thousands, let alone the cost of any training you may need to do!

snoopdawg

Absolutely agree with others
-13 is warm for the East
Come to BC if you want warmth!!!
Moving cost us a fortune, it's very expensive
I would say it took us 3-4 years as 2 GPs working so get ourselves back on track
As my Stinky other half suggests read through this whole thread, there is a huge amount of great information.

Hasan78

hi Jatraveller!

welcome to the site!

agree with others - if looking for warmer weather west coast like BC/Vancouver will be better. but hey so far Toronto has not been too cold yet and less snow too. it is my 1st winter to taste here so glad so far ...even though heard last year they has snow storm in Ontario.

I suggest you do MCCEE and QE1 and QE 2 during your yr 2 or GPR year. they are easy and you can do them with little revision as you will be preparing for MRCGP.

If you do them then it will make it easier to find Toronto job otherwise you will have to have supervised work which is a big harder to find in city like Toronto.

No! you don't need to do ER...

Yes!Recently government had unilaterally imposed changes to fee for services - essentially cutting on fee one can charge!

good luck!

Woodywestie

hi, currently a gp partner in England, my husband is hoping to get three year posting with work to Ottawa.

We have a Young child and I think now would be good time to trial life abroad before she is embroiled in education system. We are both open to the idea that if we like it in Canada we would look to stay.

I currently work three days a week and am finding work life balance isn't working. Looking to have six to twelve months to get settled with her and start exam process. Health force Ontario have been really helpful.

My question is, as potentially a tempory move I dont want to commit long term to a practice initially. I also think I only want to work a few mornings a week ideally - is this pie in the sky ideals? Do such opportunities exist? Also any Ottowa GPS on here?

Thanks in advance

snoopdawg

Hi
I think Hasan 78 gave you a good summary of what's needed in answer to your previous post.
I think he is over that way and he does seem to suggest that full time would be needed at least initially until you get full licensure. This fits with my experience of BC. I guess they feel in return for helping you out , you must help them!!

That said, in my experience " full time" can mean many things! If you started a practice from scratch you would have time on your hands initially but equally you would have control over how many patients you took on. If you capped your list at 1000, I'll wager you would be able able to start late,finish early, take a day off a week , you would just need to find coverage.
On paper, the hours you worked would still be more than most given all the paperwork we do.

Still, I doubt a few mornings a week would be acceptable. Sorry!

Oink

You want to be able to deliver direct and timiely care to your paintents instead of being accountable, I mean filling out needless government forms? If I had a penny for amount of time I've heard this old chestnut I'd sitting on a beach in the Cayman Islands.

Stinkypup

I thought that you woz in the edukation feeled- that doesnt bowed well four hour kids

Woodywestie

Thanks, hadn't realised my original had posted few weeks ago as didn't get any notifications. Thanks to everyone that replied. I think I will try and get my exams done so I could work unsupervised then and do locums. What are the apple tree clinics people talk about.? Are they like uk walk in centres ? Would they be awful places to work?

I don't feel guilty about leaving, the nhs has had my pound of flesh lol. I am not afraid of hard work used to work as a 10 session partner pre toddler, but having my daughter has ment I need to reassess my priorities.

snoopdawg

Completing charts, referring to specialists, arranging investigations, talking to pharmacists, nurses, social workers - not quite "paperwork" but time consuming- filling in endless insurance/ disability forms- all linked to delivering direct and timiely (?) care to the punters, thankfully few government forms here, one of the many joys of Canada!! Anyway, surely your yacht is capable of a trip the the Caymans, negotiating the odd lock on the way.

Oink

I'm afraid that's the dance we require when you're paid with public money. Its the same in education, law enforcement and all the other public employees. It doesn't stop them all moaning to buggery though.

Hasan78

Getting your full independent license will give you a lot of freedom as how to work and how many sessions for sure...

Apple tree! is well organized chain of practices, having branches in Toronto and Ottawa I believe. they are good and I was going to go with them but hey couldn't sponsor LMIA for TWP but they could do that for Ottaw.

I think 1 year contract will be enough., which most centres offer...by then you will have your PR hopefully then you have even more freedom!...

Indeed! Snoopdawg! full time means different to each employer.
Yes! CPSO has condition that the work to be full time when having restricted license as per HFO.

Woodywestie

Thank you you Hasan . You have been really helpful . I think once husband has def been offered the job, I will get my documents uploaded onto physician apply portal. I am hoping I can persuade a local GP to let me sit in a morning a week like a med student whilst I do the exams, that's good to know apple tree ok. Do they basically pay you for the sessions you do like a locum or salaried post, It's a pity working on a restricted licence means full time. Feeling quite excited about it all

Hasan78

You are welcome.

Just remember that your documents verification i.e. MBBS/CCT/RCGP membership certificate may take up to 2-4 months if i can recall correctly.

Check the QE1 and QE2 eligibility requirement at mcc.ca and i believe you do need to have MCCEE as IMG so you may want to do MCCEE in UK prior to your departure so you are set for MCCQE1 to be done in Canada...

working as GP is very much similar to UK but you have more freedom and control of your day to day work and much more appreciative patients so you won't feel much taxed compared to UK...

I did like their system and approach but i would say to just check Apple tree contract. and i suggest to look around others too so you can get a feel of the contract each offer....

There are few payment system in Canada but most surgeries do something call fee for Service split. it can be 70-30% or 80-20% split i.e. you rent an office place from somebody and see patient then you pay the 20% or 30% of your earring to the owner of the building or whoever hired you- these are called overhead. it is also like this for Locum....you are essentially self-employed....

Best of luck whenever you are heading to Ottawa

rapidoe

I am looking for some adv about working as a GP in BC. I 'm an Irish GP, looked at Alberta but there are no jobs at moment with AHS sponsorship. I am at stage where all my documents have been validated except one, I did MCCEE in November. Travelled to Calgary already but no jobs for IMG's. I am in contact with Healthmatch BC, is there much more to do before getting prov registration? Can someone also adv re income tax, what level is it at? Do people incorporate?

Stinkypup

Welcome- Read back on this thread- this is a mine of useful information- it will take some time- It surprises me that there are no jobs for GPs in Ab even with the economic state as it is. We work in BC as GPs- there are others- The thread gives you an idea as to how things work